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  1. NoEyeDeer
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    I'm not going to get sucked back into this excuse for a debate in a big way, because I see no point in trying to convince people who are determined to be completely irrational about the subject regardless of the evidence presented, but I do wonder if you have any sense of self-awareness.

    Your posts in this thread, and all the other related threads, have relied very heavily on slagging off other people. You have consistently claimed that scientists are not operating in good faith, are corrupt, are dishonest, are falsifying evidence, and are part of a conspiracy to turn everyone into helpless minions of some despotic global regime. You have consistently claimed or implied that anyone who accepts the science is a fool, or dishonest, or whatever. To put it simply your attitude throughout, along with the attitudes of other deniers, has been highly pejorative towards anyone who disagrees with you.

    In other words, your own posts, and the posts of other deniers, have relied heavily on character assassination. Given this, I really do not think you are in a position to play victim when someone makes a bit of a joke at your expense. You may wish to consider this. Up to you.
     
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  3. Yobarnacle
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    Maybe you should read Karl Marx, before you draw distinctions between communism and socialism.
    Granted there are lotsa countries more socialist than USA.
    Your welcome to go live in one of them.
    But your big over reaching fed government is bankrupting this country.
    Many of our states are bigger than those socialist countries you admire.
    Ya'll can continue messing up New York and California but don't mess with Florida.
    They're big enough for you, those two.
    And quit messing up the federal government.
    You don't have to be greedy.
     
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    Americans Are Gorging Themselves on Cheap Meat
    Other countries advise eating less meat. Why is US meat consumption spiking?

    http://www.motherjones.com/environm...t-consumption-europe-less-meat-sustainability

    The meat industry produces 14.5 percent of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions and land for grazing takes up a quarter of the Earth's non-ice surface.

    In the United States, on the other hand, diners are piling more meat onto their plates. The USDA has predicted that 2016 will be the biggest year in a decade in Americans' consumption of beef. We'll eat an estimated 53.4 pounds, nearly half a pound more per person than last year.

    Cattle counts from earlier this year show there are nearly 3.5 million more cows than two years ago.
     
  6. ImaginaryNumber
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    Climate change threatens hearts, lungs but also brains: U.S. study | Reuters
     
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    Finns carry out oil spill cleanup tests under extreme conditions | Japan Times
     
  8. Yobarnacle
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    Yobarnacle Senior Member holding true course

    Windows 7 crashed permanently.
    Now running linux.
    Had to set everything up from scratch.
    Anyway, I'm back
     
  9. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    I stand by my remarks, as they(the so-called climate scientists who fudged and manipulated data in a dishonest way) are corrupt, dishonest and are falsifying evidence in a conspiratorial attempt to create a one world socialist government that would turn everyone into helpless serfs, except for those in actual power. Calling those who don't swallow the baloney various pejorative terms such as deniers, teabaggers, insane or whatnot, as is frequently done, only riles me up all the more. You simply cannot brainwash everyone. And we won't go down quietly.
     
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  10. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    Welcome back, Yobarnacle.
     
  11. hoytedow
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    Yep, it would be good if the socialists would quit coveting the hard won possessions of others and actually work for their own stuff without stealing it through unfair tax schemes or outright seizures.

    "Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction." Erich Fromm

    Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/erich_fromm.html
     
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    Climate change will wipe $2.5tn off global financial assets: study

    http://www.theguardian.com/environm...n-hole-in-global-financial-assets-study-warns

    Climate change could cut the value of the world’s financial assets by $2.5tn (£1.7tn), according to the first estimate from economic modelling.
    In the worst case scenarios, often used by regulators to check the financial health of companies and economies, the losses could soar to $24tn, or 17% of the world’s assets, and wreck the global economy.
    The research also showed the financial sense in taking action to keep climate change under the 2C danger limit agreed by the world’s nations. In this scenario, the value of financial assets would fall by $315bn less, even when the costs of cutting emissions are included.
    The losses would be caused by the direct destruction of assets by increasingly extreme weather events and also by a reduction in earnings for those affected by high temperatures, drought and other climate change impacts.
    If action is taken to tackle climate change, the study found the financial losses would be reduced overall, but that other assets such as fossil fuel companies would lose value. Scientists have shown that most of the coal, oil and gas reserves such companies own will have stay in the ground if the global rise in temperature is to be kept under 2C. The total stock market capitalisation of fossil fuel companies today is about $5tn.
    Investors have also been warned about investing in new coal and gas fired power stations after 2017 by a second new study. The research shows that, to meet the 2C target, no new carbon-emitting power stations can be built anywhere in the world unless they are later closed down or retrofitted with carbon capture and storage technology.
    “Investors putting money into new carbon-emitting infrastructure need to ask hard questions about how long those assets will operate for, and assess the risk of future shut-downs and write-offs,” said Prof Cameron Hepburn of the University of Oxford.
     
  13. SamSam
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    I think you fail to see the irony of your post.

    I also don't think you read the site I posted and Fromm's explanations of Marx's views of Socialism.

    Not to get into a battle of the quotes, but this was right beside the one you posted...

    "If I am what I have and I lose what I have who then am I?"

    And this was below the one you posted...

    "Not he who has much is rich but he who gives much."
     
  14. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    I say how can you give when the government leaves you destitute. The ones you call robber barons raised many, many families out of poverty who would not otherwise had a means to earn a living. The government produces nothing. It only takes the fruits of labor from others and redistributes wealth to keep itself in power. It is much better to produce your own wealth and not feel like a parasite. Those who simply live on the largesse of others seldom show their gratitude for the sacrifice of the givers.
     
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