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"The science is clear" BS.
Assertions aren't evidence.

Same old song and dance.



No significant warming for twenty years, in spite of large increase in CO2 ppm.
When plotted and 100% of observed warming is attributed to observed increased CO2 levels, the logarithmic equation flatlines at less than 2 degrees C, above the 50's-80's baseline.

If we could actually isolate which minor part of the warming is ACTUALLY due to CO2, if any, the graph would flatline even sooner.

2 degree C is a MAXIMUM limit warming can approach but cannot reach, if CO2 is the dominant driver of climate.
Which I don't believe for a second.

Yes the science is clear. AGW hypothesis is error and linear warming following linear CO2 is proven totally wrong..

 

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After 146 years, Rockefeller family is exiting the oil business

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rockefeller-family-is-exiting-the-oil-business/

The Rockefeller Family Fund, a charity that supports causes related to the environment, economic justice and other issues, is liquidating its investments in fossil fuel companies, including Exxon Mobil (XOM).
"While the global community works to eliminate the use of fossil fuels, it makes little sense -- financially or ethically -- to continue holding investments in these companies," the fund said on Wednesday in a statement. "There is no sane rationale for companies to continue to explore for new sources of hydrocarbons."
The fund, which manages roughly $130 million, said it would immediately divest holdings of Exxon, as well as sell its investments in coal companies and tar sands-based oil producers.
Exxon, the world's second-biggest company, is a descendant of Standard Oil, which was famously broken up in 1911 as part of President Theodore Roosevelt's "trustbusting" campaign.
In announcing its decision, the Rockefeller fund attacked Exxon for what it called the company's "morally reprehensible conduct," alluding to allegations that the company has hidden evidence that fossil fuels contribute to climate change.
"Evidence appears to suggest that the company worked since the 1980s to confuse the public about climate change's march, while simultaneously spending millions to fortify its own infrastructure against climate change's destructive consequences and track new exploration opportunities as the Arctic's ice receded," the fund said.
Rockefeller family members have long accused Exxon of working to deny the existence of global warming. Former Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller, a great-grandson of John D. Rockefeller, in 2006 urged Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson to stop funding groups that denied climate change.
In a February op-ed in the Los Angeles Times, Neva Rockefeller Goodwin, an economist and great-grandaughter of John D. Rockefeller, said that in the 1980s the company "began to finance think tanks and researchers who cast doubt on the reliability of climate science."

 

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Study: Most meteorologists believe in man-made climate change

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...orologists-believe-in-man-made-climate-change

The vast majority of American meteorologists tell researchers they believe in climate change, with most now blaming human activity for causing it.

According to a study from George Mason University and the American Meteorological Society (AMS), 96 percent of more than 4,000 surveyed meteorologists said they believe the climate is changing. Two-thirds of respondents said human activity is completely or mostly the cause of climate change, and 81 percent in all said human activity was at least half to blame.

The survey — conducted in January and released Thursday — represents a shift in climate change views among meteorologists. Past AMS surveys have shown divided opinions on climate change and its causes, a result promoted by groups who doubt climate change research.
But Thursday’s survey found changing opinions among meteorologists. Seventeen percent said their views on climate change have shifted over the past five years, with 87 percent saying they are more convinced in human-caused climate change.

 

"if it's science, it isn't consensus.
If it's consensus, it isn't science."
John Michael Crichton , MD (October 23, 1942 – November 4, 2008) was an American best-selling author, physician, producer, director and screenwriter

 

The thread you're hanging on to is getting very thin. Are you going to repent and climb aboard the AGW Ark, or get swept away by the false promises of the"it can't happen" crowd?

 

As more and more AGW predictions fail, AGW is ever getting harder to support as remotely credible.
My position, to the contrary, becomes stronger.

If you refer to being "swept away" as carried along against my will in the panic stampede of lemmings headed for the precipice?
Nope.
In Florida, we have "Stand your Ground" law.
And I'm a law abiding patriot!

And suppose some how, you pass some kind of CO2 law in the federal government?

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/yes-states-can-nullify-some-federal-laws-not-all
"First, are states required to enforce federal laws and enact regulatory programs that Congress mandates? The answer on both counts is “No.”

In the 1997 case, Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government could not command state law enforcement authorities to conduct background checks on prospective handgun purchasers.

In the 1992 case, New York v. United States, the Court ruled that Congress couldn’t require states to enact specified waste disposal regulations."

SCOTUS has established precedents for such a case, in favor of State's autonomy.

 

What, you're going to shoot the rising oceans, beat the rising temperatures with a baseball bat? Maybe you'll try and strangle laws? LOL

I can't hardly see anybody getting very serious about removing someone from their flooded home if they don't want to leave, so you can probably relax your grip on all your triggers.

You might want to find out the boundaries of the "Stand your Ground" laws. It seems like you might figure you can stand in the aisle of a bus and shoot everyone that tries to get by you. If it's all bluster though, you'll be OK. Maybe. http://www.secondcalldefense.org/brandishing-and-warning-shots

 

I wasn't using Stand Your Ground as reference to shooting anybody.
I was making a point that Florida is a different State with different philosophy, and is better run than most States.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/educat...o-5-in-us-according-to-education-week/1144718
http://mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings/florida
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of_living/state/florida

Solvent, better education, less taxes, lower cost of living, lower unemployment, more freedom than most, and a State government willing to stand up to the feds and pull the feds teeth. Frequently.
And not afraid to nullify federal laws, and with alacrity should socialists succeed in passing federal laws diminishing our freedoms.

All you have to do is look at our country's name, to see where the power is. It's NOT The United states. It's United States!
Washington DC, is NOT the USA. They are supposed to represent OUR wishes, not be lords over us.
States are not provinces. The States created the federal government and are greater than the federal government, and can restrict the federal government and planning to.

 

The Federal Govt already taxes fuels and I don't hear you screaming about State's Rights. Since the production and use of fossil fuels involves interstate commerce a carbon tax is well within the Federal government's perview.

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Even the captain of the Titanic would have gotten into a lifeboat had one been available. Hope you're at least as smart!

 

My home in Florida will be my boat. Our home in Mexico is a mile above sea level. Mexico City is 7,350 ft altitude, and 6 hour drive away, where we live, a couple thousand feet less.

 

"carbon tax"
You haven't got one yet, so you're dreaming.
Nor do you control the houses of congress nor likely to.
And with voter ID laws now in effect, you can't steal the election with non-citizen voters, like you did in 2012.
I'm expecting a conservative gain in both houses!
And a deadlocked SCOTUS is miles better than a liberal one.
And doing a runaround the 10th amendment, by claiming BROAD discretionary powers under federal authority over Interstate Commerce and Taxing Power, isn't what the 10th amendment intended. The STATES will soon make that clear.
SCOTUS can declare an Act of Congress unconstitutional. Can't declare a Constitutional Amendment by the States unconstitutional. No earthly power has a veto over State power.

As to fuel taxes, gas in Florida is less than 2$ a gallon. How much where YOU are?
3$+ in Manhattan?

http://www.floridastategasprices.com/

What you get when socialists run things.

 

I don't know how you can post this stuff with any hope it will be believed. As myark says, you cherry pick what you want to use in an article. Surprisingly then, you apparently actually believe you have it right.

From the very page on the very site you yourself posted from...

And so if

states have to follow them.

Using your sources, it is easy to show how your position, to the contrary, becomes weaker.

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Ah, the old scientifically based IGMFY argument. Clever.

 

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle
"My home in Florida will be my boat."

I would suggest Yob while he does the wait and see, keeps saving his penny's and purchase a subsidized Myark folding trailer barge for his relatives new home in Florida to travel over flooded regions when the sea level rise that is assisted by global warming storms creating huge sea surges that floods city's like Katrina did or the Mississippi 25 years ago.
Or if he could run with his tail between his legs to Mexico that is a mile above sea level.

 

My point "gentlemen" is I don't need rescuing no matter what happens.
My home in Mexico is because my wife's family is there, and when she wants to be with family, I want to be master under my own roof and not imposing on others.
My boat is a gold hunting and wilderness floating cabin for remote areas. Trailersailor, so even high altitude bodies of water are accessible by me.
And when I'm out of the country, a small monthly fee pays for secure guarded fenced storage for my "home" and no real-estate taxes. Just a 5$ annual registration fee.
But if these dwellings ever need to serve me as refuge, they are adequate for the purpose.

The part I posted Samsam, was the two precedent cases mentioned. I suspect there is more.

"In the 1997 case, Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government could not command state law enforcement authorities to conduct background checks on prospective handgun purchasers.


In the 1992 case, New York v. United States, the Court ruled that Congress couldn’t require states to enact specified waste disposal regulations."

The courts ALWAYS look for precedents in deciding cases. They want continuity in interpreting the law.
Either or both of these two cases would be cited as precedents in the brief submitted to SCOTUS when Florida (in conjunction with 35 or 40 other States) sued fed government for unconstitutional over reach. And probably win.

NOTHING in the Constitution gives the feds power over the States, only over interstate commerce.
The Constitution DOES reserve power to the States over the fed government.
The Constitution DOESN'T GRANT this power, the States reserved it to themselves when they created the federal government in the Constitution they created.
Originally only 13 states, but new States were accorded equal standing, as they were admitted.

So, IF the feds demanded a CO2 tax, how would they collect it if the States refused to collect it for the feds?
Based on these precedents, I don't believe the feds can DEMAND States collect taxes for them.

All this speculation is for nothing.
Article 5 convention in offing.


As to "Ah, the old scientifically based IGMFY argument. Clever.", I don't know if it's scientific, but it's traditional American individualism. Being responsible for yourself and exercising and protecting your freedom and your property.

And I prefer my two Albin 25s that fit the same trailer, one at a time. I've got room for guests. Thanks anyway, myark.