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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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    My friend Yob. we don't contemplate anything so radical as changing the Constitution. We already are quite soshulistic, and I suspect will keep getting more so:

    In the US the military is already soshulistic.

    Public schooling is soshulistic.

    The public retirement system is soshulistic, though Dubya unsuccessfully tried to privatize some of it, and was handed his head on a plate for his efforts.

    Medical care is slowly becoming more soshulistic.

    Our clever and devious plan is to slowly turn up the heat, so to speak. We know that you AGW-deniers are extremely INsensitive to small changes in temperature. Before you know it you will be cooked! ;)
     
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    You notice that I don't mind posting scientific studies that don't always appear to support my point of view. It would be more gentlemanly of you to also admit it when data points don't support your point of view. As it is, you often appear to be intellectually dishonest. :(
     
  3. ImaginaryNumber
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    I know of one state. There may be others as well. The point is that if one state can promote renewable energy production, any other state could too.
     
  4. Yobarnacle
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    If there were valid data to support AGW, I'd certainly consider giving it credence after a thorough analysis.
    Haven't seen any.

    What's with the "soshulistic" missspelling?

    I have been very aware for a long time, socialists have been easing their programs into our government structure bit by bit, and totally illegal.

    I'm not the only one aware.

    The tactic apparently is, if you can get away with it, your're home free!

    Wrong! You can get away with it until you CAN'T get away with it any more!

    Removing immunity from federal officials for acts committed in exercise of their office, is on the agenda for an article 5 amendment. And penalties required and spelled out, for crimes like, campaign promise fraud, oath breaking, violating Constitution, power grabs, ect.
    I want it to be retro-active.
    And a lot of legislation that should have required a Constitutional amendment, will be tossed out.
    When the STATES resent a power grab by the federal government, an amendment authorizing the STATES to demand and requiring the feds cease and desist, is on the agenda.

    The military is militaristic, not socialistic. No political officers wielding unfettered Party Power, like soviet Russia had.
    However, political correctness was invented by Stalin, and efforts have been made to install it in USA. Not very successfully.
    But I understand your confusion. Under socialism, citizens have about as much say as army privates do, regarding their officer's orders..

    Social Security Insurance isn't socialism.

    http://socialsecurityinfo.areavoice...-declares-social-security-act-constitutional/
    "The constitutional basis of the Social Security Act was uncertain. The basic problem is that under the “reserve clause” of the Constitution (the 10th Amendment) powers not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved for the States or the people. When the federal government seeks to expand its influence in new areas it must find some basis in the Constitution to justify its action. Obviously, the Constitution did not specifically mention the operation of a social insurance system as a power granted to the federal government! The Committee on Economic Security (CES) struggled with this and was unsure whether to claim the commerce clause or the broad power to levy taxes and expend funds to “provide for the general welfare,” as the basis for the programs in the Act. Ultimately, the CES opted for the taxing power as the basis for the new program, and the Congress agreed, but how the courts would see this choice was very much an open question.

    Three Social Security cases made their way to the Supreme Court during its October 1936 term. One challenged the old-age insurance program (Helvering vs. Davis) and two (Steward Machine Company vs. Davis and Carmichael vs. Southern Coal & Coke Co. and Gulf States Paper) challenged the unemployment compensation program of the Social Security Act. The Court would issue rulings on all three on the same day.

    On May 24, 1937, the Supreme Court handed down its decision in the three cases. The Social Security Act was constitutional."
     
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    The Wall Street bail-outs of 2008 when the US taxpayer via the govt rescued a number of large corporations from ruin, looked rather socialistic to me, but at least it has quelled the "economic rationalist" propaganda that the market must always rule.
     
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    If the greedy banks got to big and were then mismanaged then they deserved to fail.
    Too big to fail my @$$!
     
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    Not long ago I read that a village in China was given solar panels for there houses at no initial cost which the excess power not used is diverted into the government grid which eventually paid of the solar panels and when the panels are paid for in full they get paid for the surplus of the power as an extra income.
    I was considering some years ago if I had the capital to purchase solar water heaters that I would design for a DIY instalment solar water heaters which I have actually a design that has small spare chamber if the majority of water the used at night time there could be hot water spare in the small chamber for a morning quick shower and let the savings from the hot water power supply pay for solar water heaters like hire purchase that would take about 2 years hot water power savings to pay for each unit then one has hot water for free there after.
     
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    It was a bankster heist
     
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    The market purists had little to say against bail-outs.
     
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    It was a power play by powerful politicians and powerful financiers. The taxpayer got screwed.

    We can fix the problem. The STATES can.
     
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    It certainly looked like losses being socialized, after years of hearing how govt should get out of the way of business, and let markets do their thing. Heads we win, tails you lose.
     
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    Nothing so elegant as a philosophical gesture.
    This was pure old fashioned backroom dirty politics and extortion, dialogue from a 1930's period gangster's black and white B movie..
    "If we go down, we're taking you with us. We know your dirty little secrets and we'll leak them to the press. It ain't like it's your own money. There's plenty to go around, everybody can have a taste. You can just print up a new batch! It's only paper anyway. We got some of your gold bullion in our vaults. If you ever hope to see it again...?
    Or, wouldn't the public be upset to learn, you loaned us all your bullion for speculation, and we sold it off. All's ya'll got is some of our paper saying you own gold. Truth is, all the US gold is gone. What would the public think of the government, if THAT got out?"
    Wasn't in the room, but imagine the conversation was along similar lines.
     
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    Too big to fail only means they got us by the short and curlys.
    Exact terms of the extortion may never be known.
    Very secretive people involved.
     
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    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/baba-brinkman-s-rap-guide-to-climate-chaos-album--2#/

    The science is clear: continued "business as usual" greenhouse gas emissions will be catastrophic for human wellbeing, and yet the smokestacks keep on smoking. What's going on? There are good solutions on the table, but scale-level action is perpetually stalled. In other words, people need a wake up call – a mix of hard facts and perspective shifting to point us towards real solutions. That's what I'm doing with my new off-Broadway show, "Rap Guide to Climate Chaos", and this IndieGogo campaign will support the making of a high-quality studio album to share the music and the message with a global audience.

    “Climate change is the challenge of our time, and few voices capture its urgency and its scientific intricacies with as much rigour and panache as Baba Brinkman. Baba is the science rapper supremo!”

    – Tim Flannery, author of ‘The Weather Makers’ and Chief Commissioner, Australian Climate Council
     

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