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  1. myark
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    Carbon emissions highest in 66 million years, since dinosaur age

    http://news.yahoo.com/carbon-emissions-highest-66-million-years-since-dinosaur-160745889.html

    OSLO (Reuters) - The rate of carbon emissions is higher than at any time in fossil records stretching back 66 million years to the age of the dinosaurs, according to a study on Monday that sounds an alarm about risks to nature from man-made global warming.
    Scientists wrote that the pace of emissions even eclipses the onset of the biggest-known natural surge in fossil records, 56 million years ago, that was perhaps driven by a release of frozen stores of greenhouse gases beneath the seabed.
    That ancient release, which drove temperatures up by an estimated 5 degrees Celsius (9 Fahrenheit) and damaged marine life by making the oceans acidic, is often seen as a parallel to the risks from the current build-up of carbon in the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels.
    "Given currently available records, the present anthropogenic carbon release rate is unprecedented during the past 66 million years," the scientists wrote in the journal Nature Geoscience.
    Current carbon emissions, mainly from burning fossil fuels, are about 10 billion tonnes a year, against 1.1 billion a year spread over 4,000 years at the onset of the fast warming 56 million years ago, the study found.
    The scientists examined the chemical makeup of fossils of tiny marine organisms in the seabed off the New Jersey in the United States to gauge that ancient warming, known as the Paleoeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM).
    U.N. studies project that temperatures could rise by up to 4.8C this century, causing floods, droughts and more powerful storms, if emissions rise unchecked. Carbon dioxide forms a weak acid in seawater, threatening the ability of creatures such as lobsters or oysters to build protective shells.
    "Our results suggest that future ocean acidification and possible effects on marine calcifying organisms will be more severe than during the PETM," Zeebe said.
     
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    Hi Viking north

    Its not getting our worlds under control as they are already strictly controlled by religion and greed, but to free the world from greed and religion "control" of the mind and let humans think for them self's so they can learn how to think of others and eventually earth, including all other earthlings we treat as food or the same as Nazis did in concentration camps where humans experienced the same treatment we give other earthlings .
     
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    We will wait and see if your predictions come true.

    Where you going to hide if (when) they don't? (to AGWers in general).
    You promised 3rd world nations money from developed nations, who needed to PAY for their pollution crimes. YOU would make them pay!
    The 3rd world will be looking for those who made the unfulfilled promises, The AGWer trouble makers.
    Developed nations will be looking for those who tried to incite panic, disrupt their economies, subvert freedom, and cost them billions of unnecessary dollars in futile research.
    Demanding payback, restitution from AGWer trouble makers.
    There will be a HUGE backlash! Witch hunt!
    Where will AGWers seek sanctuary?.
    You can run but you can't hide.
     
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    Looks like somebody (YOU AGWer) is WAY WAY out on a very thin limb.
    CO2 is indeed the ENEMY of AGWers.
    Since it's flatlined and can't cause more warming as YOU predicted.

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    Sure don't want to be in YOUR shoes!
     

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    We will have a much better idea just how bad it is in another 10 years.
    Meanwhile, the safest thing is to just keep doing what we know for certain is wrong.
     
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    Huh ?
     
  7. Yobarnacle
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    That's the whole issue.
    Some folks are convinced CO2 is bad and emitting it wrong.
    No proof, just their gut feelings.
    Others including myself, think they're nuts, and CO2 is beneficial.
    And there is LOTS of historical and current evidence to support our position.

    Also warming has slowed down to a few 100ths of a degree annualy, and soon to a few 1000ths annually and then millionths of a degree, ect. Flatlining.
    Really there's been no significant warming for past 20 years. Though CO2 has climbed significantly.

    And what cure do AGWers want? Carbon taxes, cap and trade, and social engineering (read as psychological manipulation). And they want developed countries to diminish.

    No, those are stupid hurtful ideas. And won't do what they're intended to do either.
    We wait and SEE that the AGWers ARE wrong.
    Then we'll have an accounting.
    Wouldn't want to be them.

    It won't matter that they honestly believed in AGW or if they were cons, and had a nefarious hidden agenda.
    Good intentions doesn't alleviate responsibility.
    AGWers have caused ENORMOUS national expense and domestic strife and international tensions, and many millions in personal financial losses.
    Especially among scientists who wouldn't pay lip service to AGW and lost their jobs or grants.
    Those who caused the problem will have to make restitution. Repair the damage, to the extent possible.
    Some have made millions from AGW. Unjust they be allowed to keep it.
    Payback time.
    Even though it will leave most AGWers with nothing.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Old famous saying.
    So they shouldn't be surprised when they arrive.
     
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    How Can Global CO2 Levels Soar When Emissions Are Flat?

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/21/3761903/co2-levels-soar-emissions-flat/

    Last year saw the biggest jump in global CO2 levels ever measured, as NOAA reported on March 9. Yet in 2015 the world economy grew while energy-related CO2 emissions were flat — for the second year in a row — according to the International Energy Agency, as ClimateProgress reported last week.

    This puzzled more than one reader. One emailed me the following: “the IEA is saying that emissions have gone flat, while, at the same time, NOAA is announcing that we just had the largest-ever jump in CO2 [levels]. Logic would seem to dictate that someone has their figures wrong. Flat emissions should not translate into record CO2 jumps.”

    What’s going on? Two things:
    •Annual CO2 emissions are very different from global CO2 levels.
    •CO2 levels tend to have big jumps in El Niño years.

    Let’s go through those two, especially since this discussion gets to the heart of what I call “the biggest source of confusion in the public climate discussion” in my recent book, “Climate Change: What Everyone Needs to Know.” It also goes to the heart of why delaying action is so dangerous

    The CO2 Bathtub Analogy

    Avoiding catastrophic warming requires stabilizing CO2 concentrations (or levels) in the atmosphere, not annual emissions. Studies find that many, if not most, people are confused about this, including highly informed people, mistakenly believing that if we stop increasing emissions, then global warming will stop. In fact, very deep reductions in greenhouse gas emissions are needed to stop global warming.

    One study by MIT grad students found that “most subjects believe atmospheric GHG concentrations can be stabilized while emissions into the atmosphere continuously exceed the removal of GHGs from it.” The author, Dr. John Sterman from MIT’s Sloan School of Management, notes that these beliefs “support wait-and-see policies but violate conservation of matter” and are “analogous to arguing a bathtub filled faster than it drains will never overflow.”

    Similarly, carbon dioxide levels won’t stabilize until human-caused emissions are so low that the carbon sinks can essentially absorb them all. Under many scenarios, that requires more than an 80 percent drop in CO2 emissions. And if the goal is stabilization of temperature near or below the 2°C (3.6 °F) threshold for dangerous climate change that scientists and governments have identified, then CO2 emissions need to approach zero by 2100.

    So the first key point is that CO2 levels will continue rising if we merely keep annual CO2 emissions flat. In fact, they will keep rising at a faster and faster rate because the land and ocean carbon sinks are weakening (see below).
     
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    CO2 isn't causing more warming.
    Mathematically impossible to cause more warming.
    Ya'll need to quit pretending your linear CO2/warming hypothesis is valid.

    It's busted, failed, disproved.
    By your own climatologists who KNOW CO2/warming is a logarithmic function.

    Why don't YOU know it?
    And the ignoramus who wrote that article? He should know it.

    Ya'll just ignore science and mathematics.
    Gonna catch up with you.

    I'm looking forward to the day I can advocate a different message.

    On that day of of all ya'lls reckoning, I'll be exhorting, "No sympathy! No mercy! Bloðorn one and all!"

    http://www.vikingsofbjornstad.com/Old_Norse_Dictionary_N2E.shtm
     
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    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/21/3761903/co2-levels-soar-emissions-flat/

    A crucial point is that, based on actual observations and measurements, the world’s top carbon cycle experts have determined that the land and oceans are becoming steadily less effective at removing excess CO2 from the atmosphere, as I reported last year. This makes it more urgent for us to start cutting carbon pollution ASAP, since it will become progressively harder and harder for us to do so effectively in the coming decades.

    In particular, the defrosting permafrost and the resultant release of CO2 and methane turns part of the land sink into a source of airborne greenhouse gases. Similarly, as global warming increases forest and peatland fires — burning trees and vegetation — that also turns one part of the land carbon sink into a source of atmospheric CO2. So does ever-worsening droughts that scientists are observing in the United States southwest and other parts of the world.

    We are destroying nature’s ability to help us stave off catastrophic climate change. “Clearly nature is helping us” deal with atmospheric CO2 right now much more than it will be decades to come, as Dr. Josep (Pep) Canadell, executive director of the Global Carbon Project, told me last year. Ultimately this is one more reason why delaying action to cut carbon pollution is a costly and dangerous mistake.
     
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    Warmer Winters Will Mean Catastrophic Effects For The Environment And Human Life

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/19/3761760/warmer-winters-impacts/

    Along with shorter and warmer winters, many areas also are experiencing earlier-than-normal springs, or “false’’ springs, and sporadic hot summer-like days, a climate pattern that can produce chaos with the Earth’s ecosystems.

    “In the more than 30 years I’ve been a meteorologist, I’ve always enjoyed sitting down each day and taking a look at the latest computer model forecasts of the weather for the upcoming ten days,’’ said Jeff Masters, director of meteorology for the site Weather Underground. “That pleasure began becoming tinged with anxiety beginning in 2010, when we seemingly crossed a threshold into a new more extreme climate regime. The relatively stable climate of the 20th Century that I grew up with is no more.’’

    The impact of winter’s transformation on the human psyche likely will be gradual, but, if present trends continue, inevitable.

    “Lots of the world’s people don’t have winter at all — for example, everyone in India and Indonesia,’’ said climate historian Spencer Weart, author of The Discovery of Global Warming. “For those of us in the temperate zones, there will certainly be a sense of dislocation. As you know, it’s already happening. By the end of this century it’s likely that the climate of the New York City area will resemble the present climate of Florida. People will get used to it, just as the many New Yorkers who have moved to Florida have gotten used to spending their summers indoors with air-conditioning.
     
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    Good. New Yorkers can stay in New York instead of coming to Florida.

    And the USA is going to wait and see.
     
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    This little book tells you Everything You Never Wanted to Know About Climate Change (and are afraid to ask). Earth still has a chance!

    https://www.kickstarter.com/project...er-wanted-to-know-about-climate?ref=discovery

    It’s time for everyone to have a chance to understand the enormous game-changing potential of anthropogenic climate change. I’m putting the picture together online and on paper in an engaging and dramatic way, using ordinary language that everyone can understand and providing links, photos, and credible illustrations in a “creative nonfiction” style.

    The outline and a first draft are already written. Mostly, these have involved reworking and paring down 94,000 words I’ve written about climate change in the past year, 200+ photos and infographics, and numerous links I have collected, as well as attending events and doing personal interviews.

    The story briefly covers the known history and science of atmospheric carbonization (formation of greenhouse gases) due to human activity. It details the human struggle to assess this colossal phenomenon and to address mitigation and adaptation. In particular, I focus on events taking place over the past year, between the Lima climate conference of 2014, which I attended, and the universal agreement all nations declared in Paris last month. (I headed the team that reported this event for the international sustainability blog CleanTechnica.) And the book also addresses scenarios for the future. The focus is factual and positive.
     
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    If they don't explain logarithmic equations and CO2/warming is logarithmic, it's a worthless book. Just another chant of the failed hypothesis.
     

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    Climate Change Heroes - Biographies and Solutions

    https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-heroes-biographies-and-solutions/description

    I have tracked down 50 of the nation’s most interesting climate change experts and am writing Climate Change Heroes to highlight these heroes’ lives and work. Climate change can be a topic that invokes an immediate Charlie Brown's Teacher response - "whaa, whaa-whaa, whaa, whaa." This book will change that! The featured heroes' stories include hate mail, death threats, jail sentences, venomous spider bites and fantastic adventure. They also tell of beautiful moments that inspire their passion, love that keeps them hopeful and the exciting new solutions that are on the horizon.

    Over the past 9 months, I have interviewed many of the nation’s best and brightest climate change leaders – Naomi Oreskes, Thomas Lovejoy, James Balog, Bill McKibben, Janine Benyus, Paul Hawken…and even President Obama! In-person interviews allow me to create a more complete profile of each hero. I can capture details that do not come across over phone or email, such as non-verbal communication, what their office tells me about them, their visage and comportment. MY ASK is travel funds for in-person interviews and to attend COP21, the United Nations Climate Change conference in Paris this December.

    The aim of this critical conference is to create a binding agreement on plans for climate from all nations of the world. At COP21, I will interview additional featured heroes and illuminate the book with details of the proceedings. In this way, I can bring the conference home to my readers, providing behind the scenes insight. I will also collect live footage of interviewees for a potential future documentary.

    Climate Change Heroes will be published by Prometheus Books in the summer or fall of 2016. The text so far is uplifting, inspiring and highlights what the reader can do to join the effort. The book will hit the US population at a time when, finally, the public seems ready to receive info and act on climate change. It promises great success – as one hero, biologist Thomas Lovejoy said, “This is going to be a valuable book because people identify with people. We are a social primate...and we spend a lot of time grooming each other (and ignoring the larger environment). But being a social primate means that you can learn from others.” I am targeting this human instinct, and coupled with an inspiring, actionable message, Climate Change Heroes will resonate strongly with the public.
     
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