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Giant underwater craters may be the answer to Bermuda Triangle mystery | New Zealand Herald

 

How would it explain the disappearance of aircraft ?

 

Earth is warming 50x faster than when it comes out of an ice age | Skeptical Science

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Not sure. The density of methane is roughly half that of air, so if the concentration of methane in the air was high enough, an airplane wouldn't be able to fly in it. But it's all speculation at this point.

 

All fine and good for a kitchen experiment, but not applicable to the sea.

I'll explain socratically, by asking leading questions.
That way I'm not preaching, and you've invested some thought in the conclusion.
You get out what you put in.

How long does it take rain squall or ice melt freshwater to mix and be of indistinguishable salinity with the surrounding salt water?

How much water is being simultaneously evaporated by either solar energy, or super dry frigid wind blowing across the surface of the water?

What happens to the salt left behind from the evaporation process?

Has the average salinity of the ocean been measurably diluted by melt water or rain?

Has the discarded salt from vaporized water measurably concentrated salinity of ocean?

Would you call this a closed system, or an open system?

If it's a closed system, with no new components being added from outside the system, would you then define the entire process, a cycle?

Would you expect long term cycles to maintain approximation to equilibrium?

If the final tally, is an increase in land ice, a HUGE increase in land ice, regardless of quantity of sea ice melt (fresh and salt combined), would you expect sea level rise? Or diminishment?

If the submergence and emergence of the various land masses was greater that the rate of sea rise, both in speed rate and in greater dimensional degree, which should be a greater cause for concern?

If you chose to live on a shore being degraded by erosion, submergence, or increasing water level, or all three, is it your responsibility to head for higher ground in advance of being flooded out?

Or is it cool to wait until foreseen, fore warned, predicted disaster befalls you, and demand others risk life, limb, and their money to rescue your dumb K!#BGY&#, ?

 

Yob, your questions are irrelevant to the point being made by Myark's article -- which is that if/when all the ice CURRENTLY floating on the oceans melt, it will cause the sea level to rise by ~1-1/2", if I remember correctly.

 

That's indefensible exaggeration. 50X my foot!

 

That is BS.

My questions leading to understanding the cycle are entirely relevant.

Myark and the professor he quotes, are using an open system in their thinking, adding outside components alien to the system. So does the kitchen experiment.
They neglect the evaporation and forming of new ice simultaneous with the melting ice.
They are treating the ice melt as if it's new, outside the system water.
It's only replacing evaporation water and it's picking up the salt left by evaporation.
Zero change.
The bulk of the melt is the same as it's displacement. Only the difference in salt and fresh is in consideration, and the fresh become salt with the abandoned salt of evaporated water.

Result? zero change.

The earth's water cycle, fresh and salt are closed systems.

We aren't getting rain squalls or ice balls from outer space.

Or not many!

 

If ice trapped on land, not displacing it's own weight and melted volume, as floating ice does, enters the ocean in massive quantity, it could cause sea level rise.

Antarctica holds most of the worlds land ice. If it were melting rapidly, cause for alarm.
however it's NOT melting but increasing 200 billion tons a year, for the past 20 years.
That's twice the amount of water passing over Niagara falls each year, 100 billion tons, locked up frozen as new land ice each year.
That's 4 trillion tons more land ice than Antarctica had in 1996. 40 Niagara falls annual flow all frozen out of the oceans grasp..

Wanna celebrate?

 

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Meet the Navy's New Doomsday Submarine

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a19924/the-navys-new-doomsday-submarine/

​The Congressional Research Service has a report on the new class of nuclear ballistic missile submarines, telling us a little more about these Navy vessels currently under development, which will carry the nuclear weapons of tomorrow.

Nuclear missile submarines, which spend months at a time submerged in classified patrol areas, are considered the most "survivable" of the so-called nuclear triad (land-, sea-, and air-launched nuclear weapons). The downside is that they are less accurate than land-based missiles and tend to be assigned retaliatory missions against "countervalue" targets—civilian targets such as cities, factories, oil refineries, and transportation infrastructure. The United States Navy still maintains 14 Ohio-class nuclear missile submarines. Each "boomer" carries 20 Trident D-5 missiles, and each Trident packs up to twelve nuclear warheads, each six times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

The new submarines will carry fewer nuclear missiles than their predecessors. Each will have launch tubes for 16 Trident D-5 missiles, for a grand total of 192 tubes spread out between the dozen ships. While that may not sound like a lot, each Trident can carry up to ten nuclear warheads. So we're talking about 1,920 nuclear warheads overall.

All of this will cost money—a lot of money. The total cost of the SSBN(X) program is expected to be $95.8 billion, including $11.8 billion in research and development costs and $84 billion for the submarines themselves. The first sub is expected to cost a whopping $14.5 billion, and $4.9 billion a pop for the rest. Consider that most Pentagon programs inevitably encounter cost overruns of approximately 20 percent and the true cost of this program boggles the mind.

 

It looks like the socialists have almost run out of other people's money to squander on their serfs for votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkKOPlzGX94

 

If the oceans do rise, and I am not saying they will, it just means more water to cruise in between ports. More fuel would be needed between ports but there would be fewer groundings as shoal waters would decrease.

 

http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-s-apollo-technology-has-changed-history.html

"There were remarkable discoveries in civil, electrical, aeronautical and engineering science, as well as rocketry and the development of core technologies that really pushed technology into the industry it is today," he said. "It was perhaps one of the greatest engineering and scientific feats of all time. It was huge. The engineering required to leave Earth and move to another heavenly body required the development of new technologies that before hadn't even been thought of. It has yet to be rivaled."

Lockney cited several technologies that can be directly linked engineering work done for the Apollo missions.

Software designed to manage a complex series of systems onboard the capsules is an ancestor to the software that today is used in retail credit card swipe devices, he said. And race car drivers and firefighters today use liquid-cooled garments based on on the devices created for Apollo astronauts to wear under their spacesuits. And the freeze-dried foods developed for Apollo astronauts to eat in space are used today in military field rations, known as MREs, and as part of survival gear.

And those technologies are just a drop in the bucket to importance of the development of the integrated circuit, and the emergence of Silicon Valley, which were very closely linked to the Apollo program.

The development of that integrated circuit, the forbearer to the microchip, basically is a miniaturized electronic circuit that did away with the manual assembly of separate transistors and capacitors. Revolutionizing electronics, integrated circuits are used in nearly all electronic equipment today.

While Robert Noyce, co-founder of Fairchild Semiconductor and then Intel Corp. is credited with co-founding the microchip, Jack Kilby of Texas Instruments demonstrated the first working integrated circuit that was built for the U.S. Department of Defense and NASA"


Currently, the USA is not involved in manned missions in space.
The hoped for Mars missions with human explorers, are currently being researched with our submarines.
Three years to go to Mars and come back.
The stress of long undersea voyages allows important insights to problems of long space voyages of the future.

Other R & D for submarines also crosses over to outer space.

Not only is the money spent on R & D and submarine construction injected in the economy, and then re-spent for food, clothing, new tech toys, ect. but the new technologies sire new companies, new industries, new services, and new jobs and even new improved lifestyles.

And, the weapons serve as a defensive deterrent to envious powers. Self defense is a right and a duty.

Altogether, it's money well invested.
We'll reap many dollars return for each dollar invested.
We always do.

It's also OUR money, the tapayers.
We will spend it as we choose, as is our right to do so.

 

Global cooling means we will need new ramps means having to trailer further to reach said ramps means more automobile fuel means fatigued drivers means more funny videos of screw ups at launch ramps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii02GntYH1Y

 

Good morning, Yobarnacle.