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And I suggest, he overlooked that all ice in Antarctica originally was sea water, evaporated leaving it's salt behind, and now that it's melting, is rejoining, not it's original salt, but the salt recently evaporated sea water left behind.
Replacement water, not NEW water.

It's a huge continuous cycle.

This is NOT pristine original fresh water ice from umpteen billions years ago, being dumped in the ocean for the first time.

The ocean isn't being diluted, or raised.

Like most AGWers, the good doctor WANTS to justify the AGW hypothesis, and is NOT firing on all cylinders, blinded by his bias.

Not seeing the big picture.

And More ice accumulates in Antarctica each year than melts.

Antarctic is steadily gaining ice for last 20 years. 200 billion EXTRA tons of ice each year.
Part of the big cycle.
Sea is not rising due to melt water.

 

Let me put it this way.
I know the oceans better than you EVER will.
You can't scare me with your emotional tactics.
And I'll exert myself to calming those who might momentarily be upset and worried by your disinformation campaign.

You need an unanimous win, and you can't have it.

I only need for enough of us to remain sane and rational, to prevent unanimity.
The USA will remain an island of sanity in the loco AGW world.

 

http://www.niagarafallsstatepark.com/Amazing-Facts.aspx

100 billion tons of fresh water pass over Niagara falls each year and finds it's way into the ocean.

How much sea level rise does Niagara Falls contribute?

None.

Because the water was evaporated from the oceans and is just cycling back.

Same with the sea ice.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNCCzy1YnMs

 

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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stable-antarctic-ice-is-suddenly-melting-fast/
Sea levels worldwide will rise higher than anticipated, thanks to a new once-stable region of Antarctica that is suddenly melting, and at a fast rate. Analysis of satellite data shows that although the massive ice sheet on the southern Antarctic Peninsula, made up of multiple glaciers, was rock solid from 2000 to 2009, since then it has begun to melt rapidly. The glaciers, stretching along 750 kilometers of coastline, are shedding 60 cubic kilometers of ice into the ocean each year—about 70,000 Empire State Buildings of ice annually.

The onset of such rapid loss “came as a surprise to us," says Bert Wouters, a fellow at the University of Bristol in England, who led the analysis, published in the May 22 Science. In just a few years, he says, the dynamics of the region “completely shifted."

The surface of some of the glaciers is dropping by as much as four meters each year, as measured by remote-sensing instruments on the CryoSat 2 satellite. The ice loss is so great it is also causing changes in Earth’s gravitational field, which have been detected by GRACE (Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment) satellites.

Wouters says the glaciers’ quick disappearance is not caused by a reduction in annual snowfall or by warmer air temperatures. It is caused by thinning ice shelves; bulky glacial sheets on land transition into large, flat ice shelves that float on the ocean. When the shelves are thick, they slow or even stop the glaciers they are connected to from gently sliding into the sea, at the mercy of gravity. But if the shelves thin too much they can no longer hold back the enormous ice mass on land, and the glaciers accelerate their march into the ocean. This mechanism already has allowed glaciers in other regions of Antarctica to speed up their progress toward the sea.

Overall, the ice shelves along the southern Antarctic Peninsula have lost almost one fifth of their thickness since the early 1990s. Scientists say the likely cause is a change in winds across the Southern Ocean, a result of climate change. The shifting winds are pushing warmer water toward the ice shelves, melting them from below, and against the glacial ice along the coast, melting it as well. Around 2009, Wouters says, thinning of the ice shelves and melting of the glaciers “passed a critical threshold which triggered the sudden ice loss.”

 

You and Hoyt have both missed the point of Myark's article. It's not talking about sea ice. It's talking about freshwater land ice currently floating on salt water. EG, the huge Antarctic ice shelves.

 

Correction:
Since a portion of sea ice is comprised of freshwater snow, the melting of sea ice must also be taken into account. Got to appreciate how careful those climate scientists are.

 

Antarctica is not losing ice, it's gaining ice.
Who cares how much melts, as long as an equal or greater amount forms.

When you are GAINING ice, you aren't raising sea level.

 

Record-Shattering February Warmth Bakes Alaska, Arctic 18°F Above Normal

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/13/3759569/record-february-warmth-alaska-arctic/

How hot was it last month globally? It was so hot that the famed Iditarod sled race in Alaska brought in extra snow from hundreds of miles away by train.
It was so hot last month that large parts of the Arctic averaged more than 18°F (10°C) above normal. Not only did last month easily set the record for lowest February Arctic sea ice extent, as the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) reported, but Arctic sea ice growth has been almost flat for over a month during a time when it normally soars to its annual maximum.
If you detect a pattern here of human-caused global warming, you are in the company of more than 97 percent of climate scientists
But wait. Aren’t we in that El Niño thing that temporarily boosts global temperatures? Yes, the El Niño regional warming pattern in the Pacific has been among the strongest since the 1997-1998 super El Niño, but as the top figure from NASA shows, the off-the-charts warming has been in the Arctic. Indeed, Sou at HotWhopper has put together an excellent chart using NASA data showing how current warming compares with the warming during the last two big El Niños:
The speed up of human-caused global warming, while long predicted, is extremely worrisome, particularly given where it is warming the most — the Arctic and permafrost regions of North America. For instance, recent research finds that rapid Arctic warming, driven in part by sea ice loss, is already worsening extreme weather.
Also, the permafrost contains twice as much carbon as the atmosphere, and as it defrosts, it releases that carbon in the form of either CO2 or methane (CH4), which is 84 more times more potent at trapping heat than CO2 over a 20-year period. Thus accelerated warming of the Arctic leads to accelerated global warming which leads to even more warming of the Arctic and so on.
We are running out of time to break this vicious cycle before it spirals out of control.

 

But I DO understand.

CO2 is a dead issue and no warming worth speaking of for 20 years now, you got to have SOMETHING to justify the social engineering you're planning.


It won't work in America.

We aren't obedient party members.

Did you call roll? All 60 climate scientists that comprised the 97% consensus?

 

Real heat wave in Alaska!
Boy, I bet they hated all that sweating in February up there.

Oh, when it's a local or regional phenomenon, it's called weather, not climate change or global warming.

That's what AGWers say, when there has been a colder than normal winter. just weather.

 

All your words are self opinionated that only cares about your self and no other who likes to argue about anything just for the sake of arguing while trying your best to derail this thread because each time scientifically you are proven wrong which then you always move goals and go on a cherry picking expedition rants.

Just as well you are the 8%er and 92% of the USA say you do not understand and I would say 99.999% say you do not understand that smoking cigarettes is the main cause of lung cancers.

Yob you and Hoytetoe are by far the 8% minority in the USA, thank god if there was a god

 

That is basically what I said in a previous post but some person deleted it. If the evaporation from the ocean is greater than the alpine ice melting into it, something one would expect from global warming, the ocean would recede. The ice caps are growing that is a fact but it goes against the dogma to admit it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...LING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

With the earth cooling, evaporation could slow, but increased surface winds encourage evaporation. Cold dry air will pick up moisture as it slides over the oceans, raising its temperature and allowing it to absorb more evaporation as it moves to warmer areas. As it rises due to warming, it re-cools, depositing water hundreds or even thousands of miles from where it collected it.

 

It's not what folks in other countries believe that matters, anyway.
They can political spin the truth all they want, till black means white, and up means down, and wrong is alright righteous.
They can tax the air they breathe and worry themselves sick over climate minutia. I WAS sorry for them, but more annoyed than sorry now.
Thank God, most Americans aren't falling for AGW BS.
Hope you had a wonderful Sunday, Hoyt.

 

http://apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/~wintelsw/MET1010LOL/chapter06/

Wind and rain, but all in all comfortable day today. I hope you had a good day too.