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A few hundredths of a degree or even tenths of a degree over two decades are not SIGNIFICANT warming. Meaningless. Basically unchanged.

Projected temperatures for the future are meaningless when the past projections for NOW, using the same failed hypothesis, are 300% too high!

And what will create these projected temperatures, and how will it be man's fault?
It isn't going to be CO2, man's or natural, either one. CO2 is a lame duck, petered out, out of steam, ineffective to cause more warming, flatlined.

 

I do not know why Yob keeps repeating the same old chart all the time that contradicts what he keeps ranting about.

There is only one explanation for his repeat ranting

" Unfortunately, some of the most highly esteemed members of this forum are textbook examples of how the 'lower' brain reacts to AGW"

 

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/meteo469/node/146

The black line on the graph I keep posting, is the graphed formulae used for CO2 warmth forcing in the climate models of the climatologists you claim 97% believe in AGW.

Their estimate is way to high, because the red line is the actual observed warming to ppm of CO2 increase.

The important thing to note, is, even the black line of the formula used and endorsed by AGW climatologists, is steadily curving down toward flat, and will never reach the 4 degree C temperature increase.
The red accurate line shows we won't see even 2 degree C temperature above baseline with 4000 ppm. 10 times the current CO2 concentration. Because the formula and it's curve are flatlining.
All the scientists on BOTH sides KNOW this.
All certainly took a class or two in Analytical Geometry and can graph a function or mathematical equation.
This is what graphing their climate model equations prove. CO2 has a finite capacity to cause warming, and we are already there. CO2 is done.
And the AGW hypothesis is disproved.
Mathematics is the PUREST form of science there is. It doesn't depend on "interpretation" of data. Math can't be FUDGED!
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Certain kinds of equations form certain recognizable graphed curves.
Once you recognize the curve, you don't have to solve for all possible values.
you KNOW all values will fall on the curve between graphed limits.
That is the "analytical" part of the geometry of the curves.
I had analitG classes in High School and College. Didn't you?

Logarithmic curves always start steep, then curve into flat.
Just as seen in graph.

They NEVER behave any other way.

 

One final cautionary tale about the powers of carbon dioxide comes from our sister planet,Venus.Being a little closer to the sun than we are,you`d expect Venus to be slightly warmer, but in many other ways-size,for instance- it could be our twin. However,at some point in the past carbon dioxide worked it`s wicked magic on Venus`s air. For some reason, a little to much carbon dioxide trickled out from Venus`s volcanoes into it`s atmosphere. The air grew warmer, which meant it sucked up water from the oceans.The extra water vapor acted as a greenhouse gas in it`s own right and reinforced the behavior of the carbon dioxide. soon the atmosphere was filled with carbon dioxide and water molecules,all catching heat as it tried to escape and flinging it back to the ground.The result: Venus`s oceans are long gone.The rocks on it`s surface are as dry as a bone and hot enough to melt lead.
From "An Ocean of Air" Gabrielle Walker, Author of "Hot Topic".

 

Venus has atmospheric pressure 90 times that of Earth, mostly CO2. If we are a "twin" and that much CO2 ( from volcanoes) has been taken out of the atmosphere over aeons, into fossil fuels and carbonate rocks, living organisms have kept earth liveable.

 

Is Venus our twin, simply because a similar mass and diameter?

These are probably the least important comparisons.
An apple and an orange can be selected of similar weight and size and not be considered twins.

Okay, Venus' atmospheric pressure 90 times that of earth and 96% CO2.
Orbiting 26 million miles closer to the sun than Earth.
Turning very slowly on it's roasting spit, a single Venusian day is 117.8 Earth days.

HOT, yeah! 464 C or 867 F. NOT our twin.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v307/n5949/abs/307345a0.html




It's the SUN burning twice as bright, twice as hot every minute of the day on Venus, during days that take a month from sunrise to noon and another month noon to sunset.


CO2 making Venus hot? Phhhhht!

 

... yeah, AND he doesn't have a word to say about the warming of the oceans, which IS totally documented, and may be the area where the most serious repercussions strike first.

"The last time there was this much carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth's atmosphere, modern humans didn't exist. Megatoothed sharks prowled the oceans, the world's seas were up to 100 feet higher than they are today, and the global average surface temperature was up to 11°F warmer than it is now....
Carbon dioxide is the most important long-lived global warming gas, and once it is emitted by burning fossil fuels such as coal and oil, a single CO2 molecule can remain in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. Global CO2 emissions reached a record high of 35.6 billion tonnes in 2012, up 2.6 percent from 2011. Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases warm the planet by absorbing the sun’s energy and preventing heat from escaping back into space.
.... According to data gathered at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii, the 400 ppm mark may briefly be exceeded this month, "
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-last-time-co2-was-this-high-humans-didnt-exist-15938

 

Co2 Co2.
I could care less if there is 1000 ppm CO2.

CO2 NEVER drove climate in the past.

And it CAN'T drive climate now.
it's POWERLESS to cause more warming.

Mathematically proved with the climate models own equations.

You think CO2 is bad even when it's PROVED to you, it can't hurt you/us.

That's belief in spite of facts. More like religion than it is science.

 

Yes I DID mention the oceans
Two pages ago, page 62 post 924

 

here.
I lengthened the graph to 1000ppm, and extended the curve so you can see it's flatlined. For those who couldn't see it without being drawn.

I used green overlapping the red a goodly distance and extending out to 1000 ppm.

I didn't draw it free hand. it's a belzier curve, mathematically generated by computer matching the red curve it copies.

If we go to 10 thousand ppm, CO2 can't cause more warming.

 

CO2 - the major cause of global warming
Global warming is caused by the emission of greenhouse gases . 72% of the totally emitted greenhouse gases is carbon dioxide (CO2), 18% Methane and 9% Nitrous oxide (NOx). Carbon dioxide emissions therefore are the most important cause of global warming. CO2 is inevitably created by burning fuels like e.g. oil, natural gas, diesel, organic-diesel, petrol, organic-petrol, ethanol. The emissions of CO2 have been dramatically increased within the last 50 years and are still increasing by almost 3% each year.

 

And doesn't produce a single BTU of heat.
The range of solar energy CO2 can absorb is a very narrow band.
The radiation reaching us from the sun, is a known finite quantity.
CO2 is already absorbing the total amount of solar radiation in the narrow bands CO2 absorbs.
So how do you figure MORE CO2 is going to find MORE heat to absorb?
And if it can't get MORE heat than is available, how is it going to cause additional warming?
Scientists both sides know this, and created logarithmic equations to express this.
And logarithmic curves flatline.
And CO2 is flatlined.
1000 ppm won't, can't cause more warming than 400 ppm, because the solar radiation is used up by 400 ppm.

1000 ppm is just extra CO2.

 

Humans are the cause of global warming as the Easter islands habitants who arrived to a paradise that was in a short time striped of all resources and wild life and then these humans self-inflicted starvation and civil unrest to almost became extinct like their surroundings they destroyed, a miniature example what humans are now doing to the whole planet right before our eyes.
Shortly humans will reverse global warming to global cooling as when the nuclear war unleashes itself which is any day at any time most likely by mishap then the sun will no longer shine for some years and the earth cools and humans will have no resources to survive and will suffer starvation and civil unrest to the near extinction like the Easter islands.
I am not worried so much about the global warming although that’s my children’s problem I have created a hell for them especially for their grandchildren, but it’s the mishap of nuclear war that is like natural death that no one wants to think about and prefer to live life as an illusion ttat live exist for ever as the earth will with our self-interest and greed.

 

I now what you mean as he can not explain why the ocean is warming besides cherry picking and moving goal post each time he is given a fact