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  1. myark
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    99 percent of all counties in the USA “believe in” global warming

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...hows_americans_believe_in_global_warming.html

    First, Americans overwhelmingly agree that global warming is happening. Out of 3,143 total counties in the United States, majorities of just 39 counties disagree. That means nearly 99 percent of all counties in the country “believe in” global warming—with the holdouts confined to deeply conservative places like Limestone County, Alabama, or coal-producing Putnam County, West Virginia. That aligns broadly with a recent 98-1 Senate vote that global warming is real and “not a hoax.” The lone holdout in that vote was Mississippi Sen. Roger Wicker.
    A lot of this disconnect between public opinion and scientific consensus can probably be traced back to the intense politicization of climate science in recent years, funded largely by interests within the fossil fuel industry. Climate change is now the single most polarizing issue in America.
     
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    So all (gross exaggeration of ALL) that CO2 we emit MUST be BAD!

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    Nope.

    Because CO2 doesn't drive climate.
    It is not a source of heat.
    it can only absorb and re-radiate a narrow band of solar radiation.

    The red line on the log scale is actual data of how CO2 affects warming.

    The blue line is the GIGO computer models prediction of CO2 behavior.

    According to the FACTS, the red line, CO2 is nearly flatlined.
    There isn't any additional radiation to capture. It got it all.
    More CO2 shares the same amount of radiation, but can't create more heat radiation than the sun gives us.

    We would expect that earth's temperatures to have nearly flatlined, according to the observed CO2 logarithm.

    Well, hasn't it? :D
    For nearly 20 years?

    More CO2 won't cause more warming.

    Temperature is not following CO2 concentration, but appears it may be following CO2's diminishing returns..
     
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    Yes, yes. You keep reposting this.
    Obviously you think it means something.

    You aren't suggesting that because they believe it's warming, that they think it's RAPIDLY warming, or DANGEROUSLY warming, or that you can extrapolate that they therefore believe man causes it?

    Not a valid deduction. In fact, it's demonstrable error.
    Look back a few posts where many articles describe a valid recent poll, that 73% of Americans REJECT that man is the major, primary, or main cause of warming.
     
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    99 percent of all counties in the USA “believe in” global warming and you are the 8%er and the same polls you are ranting on about as well as the same polls if read correctly and honestly states humans and humans equally with naturally environment are the causes of global warming at 61%,
    the only Major is you the minority 8%er by a long shot.
     
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    They don't believe its ANTHROPOGENIC ie: MAN MADE warming!

    Your article does NOT claim that they agree with AGW.
    And they DON'T.


    But you are too enamored of meaningless polls and fake consensus figures.

    They commit nobody to anything and are PROOF of nothing!

    https://sharingisliberty.wordpress....if-it-is-flat-could-parliament-make-it-round/

    When you read headlines that the American people actually voted for the AGW agenda, THAT would mean something!
    Unless it was lost and dwarfed by the same day's headlines of "CIVIL WAR! AGWers Provoke All Out Civil War By Stealing Election!"
     
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    Bill Nye offers up one scientific fact to shut down climate-change deniers

    http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-nye-climate-change-deniers-2016-2

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    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/12...s2&tag=thebusiinsi-20&linkId=VDKSHW4V6DGX4G2J

    "Unstoppable" author Bill Nye explains the clear science around climate change, and how the 2016 presidential election will affect the Earth's future.

    Just as World War II called an earlier generation to greatness, so the climate crisis is calling today's rising youth to action: to create a better future.

    In UNSTOPPABLE, Bill Nye crystallizes and expands the message for which he is best known and beloved. That message is that with a combination of optimism and scientific curiosity, all obstacles become opportunities, and the possibilities of our world become limitless. With a scientist's thirst for knowledge and an engineer's vision of what can be, Bill Nye sees today's environmental issues not as insurmountable, depressing problems but as chances for our society to rise to the challenge and create a cleaner, healthier, smarter world. We need not accept that transportation consumes half our energy, and that two-thirds of the energy you put into your car is immediately thrown away out the tailpipe. We need not accept that dangerous emissions are the price we must pay for a vibrant economy and a comfortable life. Above all, we need not accept that we will leave our children a planet that is dirty, overheated, and depleted of resources. As Bill shares his vision, he debunks some of the most persistent myths and misunderstandings about global warming. When you are done reading, you'll be enlightened and empowered. Chances are, you'll be smiling, too, ready to join Bill and change the world.
     

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    Bill Gates 'Discovers' 14-Year-Old Formula on Climate Change

    http://news.yahoo.com/bill-gates-discovers-14-old-formula-climate-change-175433376.html

    Bill Gates just released a climate science equation that explains how the world can lower carbon dioxide emissions "down to zero,"

    Problem is, the equation isn't exactly new. It's widely known in the climate science community as the Kaya identity, and was reviewed in the scientific literature in 2002 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    But instead of grilling Gates about the origins of the formula, climate scientists are glad he's talking about it, said Michael Mann, a distinguished professor of atmospheric science at Pennsylvania State University. [The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted]

    "My guess is that he had seen this somewhere in the past, and sort of forgot where it came from," Mann said. "And thought that maybe he had come up with it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt."

    Here's what I came up with: P * S*E*C = CO2," Gates wrote. "That might look complicated. It's not.

    "On the right side you have the total amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) we put in the atmosphere. This is what we need to get to zero. It's based on the four factors on the left side of the equation: The world's population (P) multiplied by the services (S) used by each person; the energy (E) needed to provide each of those services; and, finally, the carbon dioxide (C) produced by that energy."

    Both side of the equation need to reach zero, Gates said. So, one of the variables on the left must equal zero for the world to reach its goal of zero emissions.

    The first variable is population. The world supports about 7 billion people now, a number that is projected to reach at least 9 billion by 2050. Population will only continue to grow, or as Gates says in the letter, "no chance it'll be zero."
     
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    The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted

    http://www.livescience.com/19466-climate-change-myths-busted.html

    Earth is a dynamic sphere and, it turns out, so is the planet's climate, otherwise known as the long-term trend of global weather conditions. It's no wonder questions and myths abound about what exactly is going on in the atmosphere, in the oceans and on land. How can we tell our orb is actually warming and whether humans are to blame?
     
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    Look at the black curve on the chart.
    THAT is from the climate models, the ones that are predicting too high. They PLUG this formula that graphs as this curve into their climate models. They have always KNOWN CO2 doesn't have unlimited warming capabilities.

    AGWers alarmists KNOW CO2 has a logarithmic decreasing ability to absorb solar radiation because the supply of radiation is limited.
    Their black line is curving into flatline as well. Just above 2 degree C.



    So WHY was it 2 degrees C was arbitrarily decided a temperature we HAD to avoid?
    They call it a tipping point.
    Really?
    A tipping point that starts runaway greenhouse effect? NOPE!

    NOPE. Look at the black AGW log curve, and you can see shortly AFTER 2 degree C, that line will be flatline and not produce any more warming regardless of 1000s ppm CO2 in the atmosphere.
    It would never reach 4 degree C.

    The TIPPING point? Is a political deadline.
    If they haven't managed taking us over by 2 degree C, they're out of steam. Argument for enslaving us to CO2, fails after that "tipping point".

    Well, they over estimated CO2s warming logarithm and we already ARE at the flatline, BELOW 2 degree C and will never reach 2 degree C from CO2s influence. Obvious from the OBSERVED data red curve log scale.

    That's why they're so desperate today. They know people are figuring it out and everybody going to figure out real quick, there Isn't significant more warming with even massive amounts of additional CO2.

    And their socialist plan to conquer by taxing CO2, making us pay for the air we breath, will simply evaporate and become a footnote in history.


    The CO2 hypothesis is FAILED! The AGWers desperate. And SOME of us are very angry at them!
     
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    SEE THE SOCIALIST AGENDA !


    Introducing Ecosocialism: 10 essential articles, 5 essential books

    Ecosocialism is not a new theory or brand of socialism — it is socialism with Marx’s important insights on ecology restored, socialism committed to the fight against ecological destruction.

    These articles and books provide an introduction to that perspective, focusing on works that are brief, clear, and readily available.

    The authors don’t agree on everything. They don’t even agree on whether “ecosocialism” is an appropriate term. You may call this perspective ecosocialism or ecological Marxism or socialist environmentalism, or just socialism: it’s the ideas, not the labels, that count.

    10 essential articles

    Ian Angus: How to make an ecosocialist revolution
    John Bellamy Foster: The four laws of ecology and the four anti-ecological laws of capitalism
    Chris Williams: What would a sustainable society look like?
    Ian Angus: Ecosocialism: for a society of good ancestors!
    Ecosocialist International Network: Belem Ecosocialist Declaration
    Daniel Tanuro: Humanity, society and ecology: Global warming and the ecosocialist alternative
    Phil Ward: The ecological crisis and its consequences for socialists
    John Bellamy Foster: Ecology and the transition from capitalism to socialism
    Ian Angus: Why we need an ecosocialist revolution
    Ian Angus: The spectre of 21st century barbarism

    5 essential books

    Ian Angus and Simon Butler: Too Many People? Population, Immigration, and the Environmental Crisis
    Ian Angus (editor): The Global Fight for Climate Justice
    Fred Magdoff and John Bellamy Foster: What Every Environmentalist Needs to Know About Capitalism
    Joel Kovel: The Enemy of Nature: The End of Capitalism or the End of the World?
    Chris Williams: Ecology and Socialism: Solutions to Capitalist Ecological Crisis


     
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    I do not think you need to be a Scientist,Physicist, or any other indoctrinated Specialist to know what is going on in the world around you.
    It is the blind leading the blind again.
    Our Ancestors managed pretty well just living their lives and watching Natural patterns in every day events.
    You can do a research on any thing and get any answers you choose to design into your Research.
    There are a lot of "Artistic" people from Art, Music to Accountancy.
     
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    Some people claim they're artists because they draw flies! ROFLMAO! :p
     
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    We now have a Political party in New Zealand that denies Global Warming Theories.
    It is only just holding a place in the Political field as it is, it will be interesting to see if their support increases.
    I wonder which of our "Oceans of Air " or "Oceans of Water" are in the worst condition.
     

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