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  1. Yobarnacle
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    http://www.mind.org.uk/media/622396/understanding-paranoia-2014.pdf

    "External environment
    Some research has suggested that paranoid thoughts are more common if
    you live in an urban environment or a community, where you feel isolated
    from the people around you rather than connected to them. Media reports
    of crime, terrorism, violence and other social issues might also play a role
    in triggering paranoid feelings. High levels of stress might also put you at
    greater risk."
     
  2. hoytedow
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    Well, maybe, but only 'til Judgement Day might they be atheists. Once raised from the grave that will change.
     
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    No argument there, Hoyt.

    If paranoia is indeed wide spread, could Myark's accusations I'm a conspiracy theorist have justification? Am I just paranoid?

    Well, paranoia is IMAGINED threats.
    Real threats are not paranoia. They are declarations of intent to harm.
    And need responding to.

    Let me quote a few such actual threats:

    "1940's Socialist Party president Norman Thomas said,

    “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.”

    John Bellamy Foster, editor of the Marxist magazine Monthly Review, said in 2005: “The problem is capitalism. The only solution, as difficult as this may be to contemplate at the present time, is socialism.” [1]

    Socialism/Environment Quotes

    Havel Wolf, member of the Seattle Audubon Society says “The Communist Party USA’s environmental program “presents a viable plan to carry out on the long march to socialism.” --1998

    Gus Hall, National chairman of the Communist Party, USA in 1972. “Human society cannot basically stop the destruction of the environment under capitalism. Socialism is the only structure that makes it possible.”

    Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister said, “No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits [...] Climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

    Louis Proyect, of Columbia University, “The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now.”

    An article about global warming and socialism is not complete without the comments of false prophet Al Gore (1992), “We must take bold and unequivocal action: we must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization.”

    And just read the UN agendas and decide if THEY intend to bring us down?

    No, I'm not paranoid. I'm ANGRY!
    And this is why AGW is divided along political lines.
    It's politics.
     
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    And before anyone claims the above quotations are out of context, I invite you to INVENT a context changing these threats to unthreat!

    Maybe " This is a test, 'I'll destroy you!', to see if anyone will quote me out of context."

    Can't imagine any other nullifying context.
     
  5. ImaginaryNumber
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    Perhaps with aplomb, but not with accuracy. Some governments are wise, some not. But groups of people in general, whether tribes, business, religions, or governments, like to accrue power, and then hasten on to do what we all do -- whether intentionally or not. Which is to improve our short-term prospects at the risk of not paying attention to long-term problems. In this case, AGW.

    Groups of people, in general, act more like "unthinking" animals than do individuals.
     
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    Au contraire! I disagree. first, I disagree with your concept of "groups" of people. In actual point of reference, I think you mean "mobs".
    Groups refers to individuals with some common descriptor, but they behave as individuals.
    Some are wiser than others.
    Some, many, plan for a hereafter and live THIS life accordingly. How much farther forward thinking and long range planning can you get?
    As to AGW.
    The hypothesis is proven flawed, the "science" proven flawed, the ethics proven flawed, and the politics subversive.
    Be careful! Damned careful!
    Americans don't like being scammed and lied to and cheated.
    And they're Wild West vengeful when they discover it!
    Then you'll likely see mobs. With nooses!
     
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    This post typifies why there will always be a strong tension between the scientific viewpoint and a fundamentalist viewpoint (whether Christian or Muslim or ...).

    While the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah may have actually existed, there is no archaeological evidence to support the idea that they were destroyed by supernatural fire from above. The unwavering belief by fundamentalists that such did happen, as well as the many other myths contained in their Holy Scriptures, creates an inevitable clash of understanding how the world works.

    (I hasten to add that there also is factually correct history contained in many tradition's holy scriptures. One just has to be careful to sift out the 'wheat from the chaff'.)

    So while the scientific understanding of how the world works is quite uniform across the many cultures of the world, there is a huge hodgepodge of ideas put forth by the many religions. Of course, each fundamentalist religion believes they are correct, but they are usually mutually incompatible with each other, and well as with the scientific community.

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    "While the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah may have actually existed, there is no archaeological evidence to support the idea that they were destroyed by supernatural fire from above" quoting IN

    That gives me an opportunity to refute! Thanks!

    http://www.yah-tube.com/videos/rood/1_rood_sodom/index.html

    "What appeared to be distant, non-descript rock formations out in the middle of the sun-parched Israeli desert, turns out to be the ashen remains of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah; found still standing, and covered with millions of chunks of brimstone! Join Michael Rood on the shore of the Dead Sea where the quest for these ancient Biblical cities begins.

    Length: 27 minutes"
     
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    Human caused climate change denialism is less than 1/3 of the USA population or hard out human none environment or human caused climate change denialism are just 22% and shrinking fast = a large minority that many of these minority back grounds you may understand are people who are religious fanatics such as Laurel and Hardy forcing their religion views on others, or racist, red necks, pure greedy or anti homosexual so its expected that 22% is a fair figure, the good news is the large majority of he USA are considerate and caring of their children and their children's futures.
    God is a myth that is 100% scientifically found does not exist except in some ones mind. how ever 97% scientist say scientifically climate change and global warming is caused by humans.
     
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    "God is a myth that is 100% scientifically found does not exist except in some ones mind." myark Senile Member

    The other crap in your post I've utterly destroyed it's claim to veracity, in previous posts.
    But do you realize you've just opened the door for me to refute the above statement?

    But since this forum supposedly restricts religious and political topics, although AGW is BOTH, I'll ask two questions instead.

    1st. Where is your scientific paper backing up the above claim?

    2nd. Are you really so obtuse you can't see design in every aspect of the universe, from subatomic levels to galaxies?
    Even famous atheists admit all appears to be designed, but reject it for philosophical reasons.

    :p

    Design infers a designer, and you know it.
     
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    Y'all were scammed,lied to,cheated and got to pay for (as will your grandchildren) the banker's largess starting in 2008.
    Nothing happened,why?
    Give people cheap food,cheaper booze, 400 TV channels, easy adult movie access,several kinds of sports leagues,cheap credit to keep them in indentured servitude and they will never give an ounce of trouble.
     
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    There's a few of these:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

    In this:

    And other posts...
     
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    Quote
    The world’s run of record-breaking hottest years is extremely unlikely to have happened without the global warming caused by human activities, according to new calculations.
    http://www.theguardian.com/environm...possible-without-manmade-climate-change-study


    Human caused climate change denialism is less than 1/3 of the USA population or hard out human none environment or human caused climate change denialism are just 22% and shrinking fast = a large minority
     
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    well, if you tell a lie often enough, some people will believe it.
    But the data doesn't lie. Only those interpreting the data with a failed agenda to shore up.
     

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