Ocean News

Nobody knows what will happen net week, let alone in 2050.
Another for the round file!

And she says a third of the plastic ends up in fragile eco systems,......like the ocean.
How much ends up in the ocean? Not in places other than but LIKE the ocean.

 

http://www.latimes.com/science/scie...f-plastic-trash-in-oceans-20150213-story.html
Jan 22, 2016

"Millions of tons of trash dumped into world's oceans
Plastic trash in oceans
The oceans absorbed 4.8 million to 12.7 million metric tons of plastic trash in 2010, with China leading the list of contributors, according to a first-ever report card on plastic waste published Friday in the journal Science. (Malin Jacob)
Geoffrey MohanGeoffrey MohanContact Reporter
Scientists trace sources of billions of tons of plastic trash in the world's oceans

Millions of tons of plastic trash flow into the world’s oceans each year, and a new study finds that most of it comes from China and developing economies in Asia.

The study, published in Friday’s edition of the journal Science, estimates that China's heavily coastal population contributes 1.3 million to 3.5 million metric tons of plastic to the world's oceans each year, largely due to mismanaged waste.

Eight of the top 10 contributors were in Asia, including Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Malaysia and Bangladesh, according to the study, which estimated that 4.8 million to 12.7 million metric tons of plastic wound up in the world's oceans in 2010."

I hope you're preaching the message at home, Myark.

 

While the West has no obligation to clean up after the East, maybe some powerful tugs and repurposed old nets could return the garbage to it's source?
Pile it in Asian coastal waters with a welcome sign saying 'Here's your mess. We swept it up for you, and you're welcome. Don't let it wander off again!"

It could provide steady work for 1000s of tugs for decades.
I read the garbage raft in the Pacific is the size of the USA.

And the part of the national debt USA owes china? Send them a bill for cleaning up the garbage, marked paid. Debt liquidated!

 

This highlights the fact that you have no clue about actual problems or that you have any practical, reality based solutions for them. "Who do you think you're foolin?"

 

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Japan's David vs Goliath battle to preserve Pacific bluefin tuna

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...liath-battle-to-preserve-pacific-bluefin-tuna

A group of small-scale fishermen are waging an increasingly public struggle against industrial fleets using sonar and huge nets to scoop up massive catches of spawning tuna, reports Environment 360

One after another, the fishermen stream into a makeshift office at Katsumoto port, on the island of Iki in the Sea of Japan. Outside, their small white boats are docked as a storm rages; inside, they chain-smoke and banter with the ease of lifelong acquaintance. Their business, however, is serious: Pacific bluefin tuna are disappearing from the sea, and somehow they must stop the decline.
“Twenty years ago, we used to see the tuna swimming under our boats in schools that went on for two miles,” says Kazuto Doi, a sun-weathered man in his 40s who, like all the Iki fishermen, uses a pole and line to catch the prized source of sushi. “We never see that now.”

“I have three kids, but I can’t send them to university,” adds Koji Harada, who now supplements his catch with squid and other less lucrative fish. “We used to make a good living at this.”

These small-scale fishermen in southern Japan are up against an industrial fishing juggernaut that is rapidly depleting stocks of Pacific bluefin tuna. A prime culprit behind the crisis, the Iki fishermen say, is a high-tech Japanese fishing armada that mines the waters northeast of Iki where Pacific bluefin tuna congregate to spawn. For the past 11 years, convoys of boats have waited in the Sea of Japan for these fish to gather, then used sonar tracking devices and huge purse seine nets to scoop them up by the thousands and sell them to global seafood giants such as Nippon Suisan Kaisha and Maruha Nichiro Corporation.

The targeting of these bluefin tuna spawning aggregations in Japanese waters mirrors a similar practice in the Mediterranean Sea, where for roughly two decades purse-seine fleets from Spain, France, Italy, Japan, Libya, and other nations used spotter planes and sonar to net spawning Atlantic bluefin tuna. European fisheries scientists say that, as a result, bluefin tuna stocks in the Mediterranean and eastern Atlantic fell drastically

“If you don’t let them lay eggs, you don’t get the next generation of young fish, so it doesn’t make sense to just restrict fishing of juveniles,” says Minoru Nakamura, the president of the fishermen’s group, called the Iki Association to Think About Tuna Resources.

“As the fish disappeared, we all realized they weren’t infinite,” says Kazunari Ogata, a 53-year-old fisherman on the island. “We woke up to our past mistakes, and we started to act. The government hasn’t done that.”

 

And YOU have no sense of humor.

Or of the ridiculous. Like posting on this forum about the Asian plastics dumped in the Pacific, as if it was a problem we could stop.
Should be posting plastics polution in Asiatic languages on an Asian forum.

What's expected for English speaking nations to do about it?
Weep and moan?
Start a war?
Sweep up the ocean?
Point fingers and go tsk tsk?
What's YOUR suggestion, oh brilliant one?
Or will you admit reality is, there ARE NO practical solutions?
You CAN'T control other people.

 

Which is exactly the point I was making earlier about AGW.
It's a good thing that carbon DOES NOT drive climate, because if it really did, then the planet IS doomed!
You will NEVER control other people, even if you pass a million laws. You only create outlaws.

Don't worry. AGW is a flawed hypothesis, based not on observed data, but on flawed computer models that have proved unable to predict, and believed only by the gullible.
Intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing.

I wish I were wiser than I am, but I'm savvy enough to recognize a political scam. Seen a bunch!

 

This is what AGW scam is REALLY about and why it's political.
The socialists idea that the west consumes too much and needs to be curtailed so there is a fairer share for developing nations.

So how would that work?
Western nations, like the USA, should consume less, and box up the new surplus and ship it as a gift to those with poorer lifestyles?
Nope. Everybody ends up poorer! A symptom of socialism.

Cell phones, computers, and other technologies are cheap because so many are purchased. Economy of scale.
Hasn't developing nations benefitted?
I've been all over the world, and the poorest folks have cell phones.

Lack of safe drinking water IS a major problem and one I'm working on.

Pour alcohol into salt water and the salt falls to the bottom as crystals.
Alcohol is extremely hydroscopic. Loves combining with water, thus displaces the salt.
Problem is separating the alcohol and water. Distillation evaporates both and you get 80 proof booze. 40% alcohol and 60% water.

I'm seeking some substance that likes salt, added instead of alcohol, that would leave the water behind as a castoff, or something that alcohol likes better than water, leaving the water as a castoff.

Maybe it's a futile search.
But we have lots of salt water, if I can find a easy way to extract freshwater.

 

I have postgraduate qualifications in statistics and experimental design along with other postgrad degrees in computer science. I've been involved in what's now called 'big data' for decades. Software I designed is used in screening newborns for inherited genetic defects based on the statistical distributions of various biochemical markers in the population. If it didn't work, I'd know about it very quickly. False positives are bad news, but false negatives are potentially disastrous.

With that as my claimed background, I have no hesitation in saying that your claims above are either trolling or idiocy. Your lack of understanding is so profound that I don't plan to even begin to refute your claims.

Keep this rubbish up and I'll add you right next to that total prat myark in my ignore list.

PDW

 

Please do enlighten me. Always willing to learn. I have a bachelors in math. That means I took a lot of math courses including one statistics course.

A percentage of a population with certain attributes is valid data.
But a population with defined attributes can't be reverse engineered into one causal factor among a myriad possible causes as a subset of a larger population.. Not with the limited statistical analysis I learned.
Did you, in advanced classes, learn such reverse engineering analysis?
We were told (half a century ago) it invariably resulted in junk statistics.
An example of junk statistics, used by the TA, was from a govt study concluded that marijuana led to heroin addiction since all heroin addicts in the study started on marijuana. The point was the data was invalid for statistical analysis, whereas if all pot smokers became addicted to heroin would be valid data, but such is not the case.

I don't and never have used recreational drugs. Don't even drink, except rare glass of wine. I don't have any agenda regarding pot.

If all smokers or even most contracted cancer, that would be valid data smoking caused cancer, but a percentage of cancer patients smoke isn't. According to the TA teaching my course, though pot was the example, not tobacco.



Respectfully

 

Please place me on your ignore list ASAP as its seems you have not

 

Dear Mr. Wiley,
I feel much better now, knowing that in your humble opinion you classified me only as a dolt, which, if I am not mistaken, is far more endearing than to be a total prat.

My sincerest thanks,
Hoyt

 

We are in the situation where 40 years down the line we, effectively, are out of fish.” Vegan alternatives to fish provide sustainable, safe, cruelty-free options that enable people to make wise food choices without sacrificing taste.
Attached are pictures of a fraction of the alterative to fish on the market and a ink to other types of alterative earthlings body parts.
http://www.veganstore.com/category/vegan-meat-alternatives/a

 

Was there objection to defining majorities?
I would accept 50.01% opposed to 49.99% as a simple majority as well as 51%.

"A two-thirds (supermajority) vote of members present" as defined in and quoted from the US Constitution works for American English.

Vast means large or huge.
But there is some who define vast majority as 75% and some define as greater than 90%. But no official definition.
Takes 3/4ths of the states to ratify a new Constitutional amendment as law of the land for all states, but doesn't actually label it vast.

definition:
"Overwhelming majority - means well beyond any hope of finding enough who are swayable to take the opposite case or something like 75% or more"

I'm willing to say an overwhelming majority of smokers do not get lung cancer, if "vast majority" offends.

 

good morning, Hoyt