ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

It will affect EVERY aspect of life.
The poor will be poorer.
The middle class will be poor.
More homes foreclosed. More business failing do to lack of customers. More downsizing in industry and layoffs.
carbon taxes is STUPID BEYOND UNDERSTANDING!

 

Which is going to happen if we don't get a handle on AGW. So we might as well bite the bullet and control it as best we can, rather than stupidly let it steamroll us into oblivion.

 

No you're right - I haven't see Frosty's other comments on the subject, but I suspect they have the same mixture of venom, jest and perception and mis-perception as usual. That's just Frosty, you have to take him with a pinch of salt.

I don't think anyone is saying that America is at fault for all ills.

As for Ronnie Reagan, I didn't like his policies either though looking back he was way more left-wing than the current democratic party! But just because I have little respect for him doesn't mean I wasn't conversant with American politics, and as for his being successful, I simply don't agree - per previous post, to me the idea that Ronnie destroyed the Soviet Union single-handed is simply ludicrous, given that the rest of the world viewed Star Wars as a total joke and the USSR as an unsustainable economic mess that was poised to collapse under its own weight even if Donald Duck was US President. A serious point I was trying to make, though, was that the rest of the world perceived him as a second-rate cowboy actor. That sent a message around the world, like it or not, and opinion of America dropped precipitously.

 

You propose adopting a DEFINITE and IMMEDIATE economic disaster to forestall a POSSIBLE and far FUTURE climate disaster?

My mom didn't raise any kids that are THAT mixed up and confused!
My wife and I didn't either!

 

Sure but taxing it is not fixing it
The UK signed the Kyoto thing when they had Mr Meglamanic in control and yet couldnt possibly do what they agreed to so you may as well have not signed it
To me the US is one country that has worked since the 70's to clean up the air and they did it using legislation as has Australia

 

The US spent huge sums of money financing WWII, which effectively ended The Great Depression. If we considered mitigating AGW an urgent national/world goal we would certainly be able to find the resources without bankrupting ourselves. Might even be able to make a profit from it, though we are falling further and further behind China, France, Germany, Spain in developing solar and wind technologies, due to our bone-headed intransigence. To add insult to injury, we might even elect another Republican for President. (Whoops, suppose to keep politics out of the discussion)

 

trouble is solar and wind are not going to do it, maybe 10% of your current usage if you cover the whole country and coast

 

Therein lies both the problem and my objections to what my government is doing.

It simply does not address the problem they claim their actions/legislation is needed to solve. Therefore they aren't serious or they aren't competent, or both. Therefore I see no reason to take any notice of them.

Now, taxing CO2 emissions and using the money to build 4th gen nuke plants, expand hydro systems and *possibly* big PV arrays in the desert, along with money to try large scale geothermal, sure. Biofuels from algae looks promising if it scales up.

Then the proposed actions would start to address the claimed problem.

Right now? Pfffft.

PV prices are still dropping though. Local company is advertising 1.5kW systems for $799 installed with grid tie inverter ATM. When I bought my first PV panel the cost per watt was over $10, now it's getting down to the $1 point and we've had 20+ years of inflation.

PDW

 

Most small town railroad stations in Florida have been converted into museums. I don't know about the rest of the country.
But nobody is suggesting re-emergeant public transport. Without the public transport infrastructure ahead of time, increasing cost of fuel arbitrarily by carbon tax will only kill tourism. People will have no alternative than to drive to work and shopping as usual.
Carbon taxes cure nothing and destroy everything! It's STUPIDITY! Let's not do this!

 

Who's going to want to visit Florida if it's 10 degrees hotter, gets hit by Cat 5 hurricanes every year, and the Keys are all under water? It's already bad enough that those Burmese Pythons are eating everything that moves.

Burmese Pythons in Florida

 

Where do YOU live?

 

Who is asking?

 

Thats pretty good is that, that sums it up better than I could.

Burmese pythons were bought by silly --err US citizens thinking they could look after a huge snake. Then when realizing they were ohy soooo wrong and the niehbours were not that impressed they let it go after looking both ways and no one was there,

Reap what you sow.

How do you come to the conclusion that huge snake is cool.

Same with that crocodile in New york living down the drains that ate a Cadilac Ederado.

Any way its obvious im not a fan of USA but it could be improved if they tried --no even attempted to clean out the land mines left in Cambodia that explode and mame children every day still. Would a map of where they are help? sure it would --is there one?.

I mean --what would that cost? A few vehicles and some experts. Such a lack of respect.

To quote a Troy I wont hold my breath

 

The 'PREDICTIONS' of worsening hurricanes is just more warm-mongers propaganda. below is some REAL data!

http://library.thinkquest.org/C003603/english/hurricanes/tenworst.shtml

[ h u r r i c a n e s : t e n w o r s t h u r r i c a n e s ]


Date Location Dead
1970, November 13 East Pakistan (Bangladesh) 500,000 to 1 million
1737, October 7 Bengal, India Over 300,000
1881 Haiphong, Vietnam 300,000
1876 Bengal, India 200,000
1882, June 6 Bombay, India Over 100,000
1864, October 5 Calcutta, India 50,000 to 70,000
1965, May and June East Pakistan (Bangladesh) 35,000 to 40,000
1942, October 16 Bengal, India Over 35,000
1963, May 28-29 East Pakistan (Bangladesh) 22,000
1780, October 10-12 Caribbean Islands 20,000 to 30,000

Famous historic hurricanes

http://www.hurricaneville.com/historic.html

Lot's of hurricanes listed here. Read and enjoy.

As to where you live, I hope it's up north and they charge carbon tax on burning wood as well, if they stupidly pass a carbon tax.


Maybe we won't have tourists in Florida, just refugees from the frozen north. Florida will have to charge 100 thousand dollar per head entrance fees at the border! LOL


Oh, python skin cowboy boots are the new rage in Florida. LOL

 

I wasn't supporting his policies, much less claiming he single-handedly destroyed the USSR. I was simply pointing out that despite popular belief outside the country, Reagan did not jump straight from being a 'second-rate cowboy actor' to becoming President. He had a long and rather successful political career before getting elected....