ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

it's really simple, in an unregulated market the big will devour the small and keep out competition, ask teddy rosevelt

or do you still believe in the tooth faerie and health insurance companies put your welfare before profit?

 

well I've got the small scale version but using waste oils going together in the backyard now. Stuff I blend should deliver quite a wallop ( 140,000 btu's pr gallon ) Most diesel seems to actually have about 120,000 btu's pr gallon maybe a little more. I've already run some through the truck and its like putting a turbo on it. Smoother quieter and stronger.

hey Mark
Why aren't they squeezing fish guts into feed pellets for the salmon pens. I seem to remember something about the fish farmers paying big for feed. Pellet machines are cheep and if you squeeze the oils out of the stuff first for bio diesel you'd end up with a paste that might work for salmon food.

 

Well, I don't know. I do know that the penned stuff tastes like the day-before-yesterday's newspaper (because yesterday, it lined the bird cage) and pollutes horribly and they add chemicals to make it appear red like a salmon, and they add hormones to make it grow faster, and they always seem to manage to escape and adulterate native stocks, and the fish get diseases and parasites from staying in close proximity and overcrowding and living in their own fetid waste, and confuse buyers as to what a salmon is, and, AND... I am totally against farm-raised salmon-like swimming things. I think it's great if somebody wants to eat them 'cuz it means more salmon for me, but I will never again eat one of those damned things and if they hurt the environment or adulterate wild stocks the company should be held accountable. Sorry, a little rant there...

 

TR was just another so-called progressive with an R after his name. RINO Bullmoose with accent on BULL.

 

if he was a progressive then he couldn't have been all bad

anti progressives should farm their children out to sweatshops, ya know put their kids where their mouths are

 

ya I don't buy the stuff either I get the wild caught North Atlantic Salmon. The Alaskan stuff around here is wayyyyy expensive and the farmed stuff is fed on pure filth, dredged off the bottom as close to the pens as they legally can. If you knew what they fed those fish you'd be even angrier. I've heard several solid lectures about how salmon pens are going to be the death of wild salmon. Already they are attributing the demise of the west coast salmon run to parasitic infestation by penned fish in the migratory paths of the fry coming downstream. Pretty sad, I gotta admit I tried the farmed stuff a few times and ack it was awful. I like to smoke salmon just enough to turn its color and the difference is night and day between the wild caught and the farmed stuff.

A very famous marine biologist said not to long ago when asked about farmed fish, "if you knew what was in it, you wouldn't eat it" he was referring to the dredging so close to the pens for slurry to press into pellets for fish food. I"m thinking that eventually they will make it illegal but if Montford foods can get away with the three tier method of pig farming then I suppose they are going to be allowed to feed fish **** back to fish as well. Oh, that three tier method of pig farming, they only feed the pig on top, the other two eat pig **** and spilled food. Yum, bacon.

 

it's the trickle down economic theory in action

 

har har har
You'd be surprised the difference in flavor of open range pork than the factory stuff. I don't eat much bacon but the last stuff I got was from a friend of mine and holly pig heaven that stuff was good.

I really cant wait to get up to the PNW and eat some of the local wild game. I bet the specialty meats shops are teaming with awesome stuff and I'm hoping at descent prices as well. I'll definitely be looking forward to my first hunt season but I also would love to try out some variety. Bear makes great breakfast meat and wild turkey is fantastic over an open flame. Venison marinated in saki and jerk sauce is deeeeeelicious as is elk and speed goat ( you dont have antelope up there do you ? ) Anyway I'm daydreaming of my retirement again.

fish farming sucks
lets hope alternative fuels explode onto the market soon

am negotiating for a warehouse space so wish me luck
not sure when I'll get a decision though so just going to have to wait and see
big space, huge doors, cheap so I'm kinda really hoping I get it.

 

When you allow unlimited, unrestricted competition with no rules to ensure fair play, eventually you'll come up with a winner -- who after eliminating the competition can do any damn thing he wants to consumers who no longer have alternatives.

That's pretty simpleminded common sense, really. And borne out historically by the 'Robber Baron' capitalists in this country a hundred-plus years ago, who happen to be the reason we came up with anti-trust laws to begin with.

Matthew Josephson's The Robber Barons, originally published in 1934, is the definitive book on the subject. Lately it's been the target of revisionists who want to rewrite history and make villains into heroes; they carry on about what they call 'a myth' -- trying to deny history which is written in stone, rather than being a matter of opinion or interpretation. These are the same sort of people who want us to believe the south seceded due to high tariffs or states' rights instead of slavery, when the truth is that tariffs at the beginning of the Civil War were the lowest they had been since 1813, and every resolution of secession focused on slavery.

They're the same bunch who are trying to tell us Nazis were left-wing liberals, instead of right-wing fascists. Any day now, I expect a full frontal assault from them to convince us that black is white and white is black, and the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

 

troy, want a doll?

 

Troy
Had an interesting conversation today at work with my employer. Focused on the plight of the worlds workers and how in todays "free" market the work is going to the gubment willing to sell off its peoples labor at the lowest price. Means what you have essentially is a robber baron dictatorship negotiating for the labor of its serfs. Makes for the perfect scenario that brought on the unions in the first place. you might have been surprised to hear me arguing a pro union stance in order that the power of the state not be allowed to dictate wages. Which is exactly what they are doing.

I think we might do well to study the german model and see how they have managed to maintain decent wages and productivity while still producing viable goods on the world market.

I need to come up with something when I get up to Alaska and if touring or alternative fuels don't offer an opportunity then maybe some form of local exports might do the trick. Who knows but I'll come up with something.

just in the last few moments talked to my contact about the warehouse space, still in limbo. Driving me nuts.

 

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Suffice it to say "we have differing viewpoints" on all of the above. I really don't care to have Jeff nick me for seventeen points again. The positive thing is that history will tell and it is coming fast.

 

it wasn't Jeff
he'd just nix the whole thread

someone busted you and didn't sign it
besides Jeff only has about 700 points or something like that ;-)
17 is way to random a number anyway

I just cant see Jeff doing that without making it clear why and who
He doesn't strike me as the hit and run type

I'll admit I've busted a few points off people and not bothered to sign em but its rare and all in all you gotta really piss me off before I give negative rep. All in all its just lame to deduct cause of political differences, after all we are supposed to all be in this boat together aren't we. All for one and one for all and all that crap. Only way we are going to make it is together. Political differences mean nothing in the end when the Chinese are breathing down our necks, which they will be soon enough.

Anyway ya bio diesel fuels can be squoze out of fish guts, so how hard is it to collect fish guts? Might prove more difficult that it sounds.

here fishy fishy

My bet is those guys systems are set up to eject that crap right over the side no questions asked. I'm envisioning a large plastic container that can be dropped once full for pick up. The weight of guts determines the level of compensation in either bio or cash. Could allow the fleet or at least some of em to leave lighter and get there fuel on site. assuming a processing barge could survive conditions on site.

OK day dreaming again but there are a few countries working the fish oils angle so its bound to be viable on some scale or another. Scale being everything.

While I'm on a role I was also thinking a hovercraft water taxi service or hunting fishing guide, but for the later I'd need a few years to learn the area.

in a nutshell contracting is a dead and buried business and I need to move on to something more advantageous

I might get back into the hardwoods biz for the time being
for now I have a few contracting jobs lined up but looking back on it all my profit margins are declining as is my work load so there's really no sense in trying to maintain a contracting status what with all the insurance and licensing and all.

I just hope the conditions in the PNW don't deteriorate to the point were is effects my ability to retire up there

 

I quit eating salmon and tilapia years ago for those very reasons. Also I shun all foodstuffs from China.