ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

apparently there are a few places that are turning a profit making bio-diesel out of fish waste. Haven't found out what the yield is yet but its apparently quite doable.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007497.html

Not sure how there operations work but I'm thinking of a barge moored out near where the factory ship processes or even towed by the factory ship and left once full of guts to be picked up by a processing ship. If the target fleet isn't using a factory ship then still some form of appropriate sized container could be provided to hold the refuse until its advantageous to go get it for processing.

Seems like a perfectly viable idea Mark
Maybe once I get my *** up there I could write a biz plan and see if anyone bites

 

It is hard to process anything from fish waste as they crap in the ocean. I think what you are referring to is even more offal.

 

speaking of offal your never going to be accused of loosing your sense of humor are you.

 

wave height is increasing in some areas
from
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v408/n6810/full/408349a0.html

Rossby waves, speed is increasing
from
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/releases/96/tprossby.html

from
http://teakdoor.com/world-news/82564-ocean-waves-getting-bigger-and-stronger.html

 

My $5 bet

A while back in that other thread on global warming I placed a wager with someone that 2010 would end up being the hottest year on record. I am ready to collect on the bet, but I don't recall who it was I made the wager with. Whoever it was, are you ready to come forward and pay up?

 

ah I remember that
I think it was Guillermo
he kinda bugged out when I showed up with my alumni status at several universities he had questioned my having attended

I guess he was really hoping he had caught me out and when it turns out he hadn't I think he was kinda done with the whole issue. He's still around, just not on the climate threads anymore.

cheers
and good luck collecting
did you happen to see the bet results over at Realclimate from a number of years ago, this graph pretty much says it all



unfortunately the folks who made that prediction were unwilling to respond to the bet
something tells me there predictions were less than wholehearted ( robust )

oh hey
while your on the line
whats the yield of bio-diesel to fish oil
is there a formula to calculate the conversion
just curious
cheers
B

 

how much energy is in .25 C temp rise over hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean?

 

depends on the depth of the temp change, its a 3d ocean. I read something recently about that and it was pretty spooky cause they are thinking that the worlds oceans have warmed way more than they first thought, now that they have a better deep sea monitoring system up.

over the next few years there should be some pretty accurate numbers coming up as to how much warming has occurred throughout the deep ocean

 

There is no way this sort of thing can have any effect on water temperature.: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6961323.ece

 

Neither can this.: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0414_060414_volcano.html

 

The Nature article said "In 1954 to 1977" and the there was an inhomogeny of data, "There could be", and finally, the article is a "pay to view". What kind of a source for your argument is that?
Rossby waves increasing? First, a Rossby wave is an internal wave and though it may have some miniscule effect on surface height as measurable by satellite, it is more to do with oscillations initiated by tides and spinning of the Earth than temperature. In fact, the article said "the waves are faster than we thought", when in fact, they were just proven not very long ago. How can the speed be increasing, Bos, when they just proved their existance and the speed before that was an estimate?! Typical AGW ******** hype. Also, did you not watch the vid I posted by Richard Feinman - the one where he is talking of the jumble of waves in a pool of water? You think these kids have it figured out, huh?
Columbia bar is my old stompin' grounds. Those prima donna pilots need to learn and wait for the tide to turn if they haven't already. As we get older, waves scare us more - these guys have been on the water enough to know that is why the waves seem bigger. Also in YOUR POSTED ARTICLE"Richard Seymour, the head of the Ocean Engineering Research Group at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in California, said any connection between increased wave height and climate change is tenuous. In fact, Seymour said, there aren't enough data on wave heights to provide the "statistical reliability" to predict any trends."
Bos, the short of it is that if the water is warmer, the waves will be bigger, all things being equal, but it seems to me that warmer areas have milder winds (again, all things being equal) irrespective of Gore's doom and gloom and what his worshippers chant "Yeah", "Me too!"

 

uh
most articles that get published are in subscription form. If you want to read the work, you gotta pay. I'm fortunate to still be on the university subscriptions but I can only reprint the abstracts. Copy right and all that crap you know.

Hoyt
the standard in scientific papers is not to use absolutes, things like the word "proof" or almost never used. It common to leave open the window to other possibilities regardless of how certain the author may be. I would have thought you'd appreciate that these articles remain so open minded even in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

As for your other questions Mark I'd recommend reading the entire article on Rossby waves, that one was not a pay per view so to speak. It answers most of your questions within the article.

Hoyt
obviously the oceans are warming
from
http://users.monash.edu.au/~bparris/bpclimatechangeq&as.html



and another clearly showing an increase in ocean temps

 

Yes, even your chart shows a drop since 2005.

 

statistically insignificant
if you look at the latest data you will see it rose again to maintain its sharp ascent

and PS
that was a cheap shot
I was just trying to joke around with you
I on the other hand
and around here you need it
have enough of a sense of humor not to go getting all offended and taking points off of people

just goes to show no good deed goes unpunished
Mark will know what that means

cheers
B

I'm off the a gun show
might even pick up something you never know

 

Oh, you'll get them + ones back. You've gotten them + ones before, from me. I was just illustrating my point that I always sign my name. It would be a cheap shot not to.


As for the drop being statistically insignificant, only time will tell. No one knows how long it will drop. It might go back up next year or it might fall for several years. Too early to tell, really.