Noahs' Ark- Better than New?

well this is an interesting turn

I actually believe that as science progresses it will do more to prove the existence of a spirit world than to refute it

one of the papers Im working on is based entirely on this concept

I am a firm believer
not it this Jesus of which so much is said
or Allah or the Buda
but in a spiritual connection with my fellow creatures

it is this connection which I believe we have reached a point that we may begin to define it within the frame work of science and mathematics

ok so here goes

lets use the example of premonitions visions predictions or whatever you want to call it

its a anecdotal evidence base but its a huge evidence base
there are numerous examples of people making uncanny "guesses" as to what has happened outside of there normal area of observation

like the wife who wakes up in the middle of the night and just knows one of the kids is in trouble

or the dog that finds its way home from across a continent

or say that feeling you get when you walk into the kitchen all blurry first thing in the morning and as your pouring yourself a glass of water at the sink you feel something and turn around
your dog is sitting by his empty water bowl staring at you like
"Im out of water dummy"

so given that there is so much indirect evidence to support the idea of a spiritual connection I began working out how this might be possible

I believe I came up with something to explain it

goes like this

one must first understand that time is non linear
one second does not necessarily follow the next
this has been proven in physics over and over and is no longer in question

a physisist by the name of Kirt Godel came up with something he termed causality way back in the 60s

it basically stated that if a light emitting object traveling at some fraction of the speed of light were traveling in an orbital bath then in a spinning universe that object could cross the path of the light it emitted before it emitted it

its got to do with the infinite's in the calculation of the components of the system involving light speed

problem was the universe isnt spinning so the theory got set aside for a while until another guy reworked it for a smaller spinning area in which case the theoretical potential matched real world conditions and thus was born the theory of causality

another guy a few years later worked the system out down to the size of a small spinning galaxy

Im trying to work it out down to a system the size of a planet

not really by remembering all those math classes but by looking at the work of the latest two researchers and working what they did to quantify the relationships between the strength of the signals considered and the size of the system considered

and I found something

the weaker the signal the more easily it may be influenced to follow an orbital pattern

so I looked for a signal that might be weak enough to allow for an orbital pattern at light speed within the confines of a planetary orbit or even the planetary atmosphere

and I found one of those as well

brain waves

human brain waves exist in the range of -100 to 100 mili amps
in a range of >0~<40 hz
the most important for my area of study being Theta and Alpha waves between ~4HZ to ~14HZ

these waves have some interesting properties that make them unusually suitable to meet the criteria for causality

one is they are easily amplified
two is they lie within the range of a natural energy field around the green belt of the planet earth called the Shoeman gap which resonates at ~8HZ
which means they are supject to a condition of natural amplification called stochastic resonance and another type of amplification caused by the attenuation of this signal by water vapor within the atmosphere

this along with ultra low frequency's tendency to follow the curvature of a gravitational field makes it uniquely qualified to become orbital at light speeds within the confines of an area the size of a planet or a planets orbit

what all this means is that you might have a thought
the brain waves that make up that thought will emanate a certain distance from you body
theoretically about 700 miles
they are easily amplified by typical atmospheric conditions possibly being amplified enough times to make at least one complete orbit

if this is possible and it seems like it is then Kurt Godel's theory of causality comes into play and that thought now has the potential to not follow the typical course of time but instead return to its place of origin before it originated
be "intercepted" by the person who had the thought and be "felt" as deja vu

same holds true for the thoughts of others that may undergo the same set of circumstances and be "intercepted" by another of close enough familiarity to recognize them as
a premonition

I didnt add in all my references but its enough to show Im not talking smack
thing is I believe I can eventually pin this down to explain each phase of the process untill I have a complete explanation

references

http://www.springerlink.com/content/h9634666757640m6/

http://cellphonesafety.wordpress.com/2006/09/12/what-are-the-frequencies-of-human-brain-waves/

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/7075

 

I got loads of special tools --which one did you have in mind, the round one?

 

I'm a fairly no-nonsense type person. But I've had a few experiences that are hard to explain.

I once had an office in a studio, on Santa Monica Blvd across the street from the Hollywood Cemetery. The sound stage was the first one built in California specifically as a movie stage, instead of being converted horse stables or some such. It's where the old Tom Mix westerns were filmed, among other things. Across the back of it was a two-story strip of small offices, with a roofed veranda or walkway for the second story, and that's where my office was.

When I first rented it, it had been deserted for years. I had to do some major renovation. One afternoon I was busy installing some wainscoting and chair rail, and I heard a pair of high heels come tippy-tapping up to my door. The door swung open, I looked up to say hello, and there was no one there.

The odd thing was the way I took it in stride. I just said, "well, hello--whoever you are...," and went back to work. It wasn't until I got home that evening that it sunk in how strange an occurrence it had been.

I wasn't the only one who heard those high heels. My girlfriend's mother had a typing service a few doors down; she made most of her living cleaning up and retyping movie and TV scripts for writers. When I told her about my experience, she said that one day she was walking toward her office side by side with Sylvester Stallone, and the sound of high heels came clicking toward them. The sound passed between the two of them, even though there wasn't room for a person to fit, and continued on down the veranda.

Another incident: the night my mother-in-law died, I was awakened by her voice saying, "TROY!" She didn't sound panicked or anything like that; she was just very firmly getting my attention. I wasn't surprised at all when my wife called me in tears an hour or two later, telling me her mother was gone. I opened my mouth to say "I know," then shut it again instead.

 

my point being that there is a perfectly good explanation for experiences just like that
that does not involve belittling the experience or just chalking it up to imagination
I think it happens often enough and to enough perfectly sound people that it demands an explanation

I think Im onto something but there area few loose ends yet to be tied up

cheers
B

glad you found some value in it

thanks
B

 

As far as ghosts go, or things like the sound of footsteps, I don't think experience with them necessarily proves there are spirits. I tend to look at something like that as just an after-effect of a person having been there. They're gone--but for some reason we're still seeing their lingering shadow or reflection, or hearing the echos of their footsteps or their voice.

 

Every sailor hears people talking in the middle of the night. I have heard it, I dont know what it is,--could from the cockpit drains to---i dont know but im not going to say Ive heard dead people or anything like that.

I put down a screw driver I just had in my hand and its gone --where can it go I had it 1 minute ago,!!!! but its not dead spirits haunting me but I could say that if I wanted.

EVERYTHING is in your head,-- EVERYTHING,--- your in charge.

Where were you in 1895 your were no where -your were dead, ie not alive not yet born if you like but you were dead. There is only life or there is death.

Thats what dead is like and thats where you are going--nothing.

 

That's the way I was raised to believe, Frosty, and most of the time I think it's true. But there are still things I can't explain. That doesn't mean I have to buy someone else's explanation, of course.

 

well my theory pretty much just covers things that involve the thought process

I think that if we add up what we do know then it becomes a bit easier to find rationale to explain what we dont know

basically its a mater of time being non linear and thoughts being an enigma of that non linear nature of time

no real difference between light speed signals whether its Godel's initially considering light rays or the US navy considering ULF radio signals
thing is brain waves meet the requirements to become separated from linear time by naturally occurring circumstances

basically Im trying to build on only things we do know to extrapolate a description of something we don't know

as I said over on the climate thread its a flip of the coin how this will be accepted by a peer review panel
hell Im not even sure what panel I'd turn this into
but it makes perfect sense at least to me

cheers
B

 

Apart from the fact that "gods" do not exist (they would be spirits, and spirits even in christian religion do NOT exist...talking about the self-inflicted mortal wound...), the shape from the start of this highly nautical thread does not conform with the description of the supposed ark.

See, in the bible description is that of a box-type float. No streamlined, sharp shape.

So the suggested "ark" couldn't possibly be a boat so faithfully stolen from Mahabharata, where "Noah" was actually called Utnapishtim.

On a trivia side, Noah name first appeared in persian version of the indian epic, where Noah was still a merchant taking the beer, according to persians, to Africa.

He had nothing to do with "saving the world" (the first known climate warrior? yeah, tell that to anti GW lot, see what happens then.)

 

Interesting slant on things there Rapido.

Who -what is the GW lot?

 

GW stands for global warming.

 

Masrapido has got the picture down
its the Spirit world that is most likely to be real
God or even Gods seem to be purely mythological

 

We Christians do believe in spirits. Angels are spiritual beings, but the ghosts of departed humans are not active, and sleep until Judgement Day. When you see an apparition known as a familiar spirit, it is not the spirit of who you think it is but rather, a demon in disguise. There is also the Holy Spirit, commonly known as The Holy Ghost or Comforter who resides in your heart if you will accept Him. He is the third element of The Trinity, or as you would say in Chile, La Trinidad.

Masrapido, I agree with you entirely on the construction of The Ark. It was built for strength, stability and flotational ability, not speed or directional stability of any kind. It could have arrived at Mount Ararat and not Chile or Africa, except that it ultimately came to rest where God wanted it to.

 

Yes, Frosty, I do believe in miracles. Call me brainwashed if you want.