Noahs' Ark- Better than New?

Hoyt, see pic

 

actually if this was a conversation based purely on scientific maters then yes I would agree with Hoyt that the past performance of the authors might be relevant
but with issues were forgiveness comes into play then I must accept that people can change and that there is a progression of understanding
in which case Angel's point resides

the simple reality of spiritual maters is that they are an individual progression and not representative of absolutes

that is the essence of why we can find good people in all religions
because as each progresses to a higher level of understanding the particular belief system teaching the pathway to that higher level of realization becomes less and less relevant

not sure that made much sense either but its one of the fundamental realities that makes religion irrelevant in the end

 

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nat...as-pythonesque-20100314-q676.html?autostart=1 - - - I suggest that all WATCH THIS and do some serious thinking...

The Arc story just does not compute, as there is no logic in the outcome if you take it literally... as a metaphor - - to - - 'be good or else' - it has some merit? otherwise not much that will stand up to faith or logic, after the supposed event, by ANY stretch of a 'wild and vivid' imagination...

One cannot take what is in the bible LITERALLY - see frosty's reference "Mat 19:12 ASV"... and I am sure there are HUNDREDS of more cases where that point will hold true...

 

Different strokes for different folks; not my way.

 

Thanks, Angel, I can live with that. bff

 

The Ark
Well unless im wrong guiding all those thousands and thousands of animals onto this barge without them riping each other apart which they would no doubt do, or eat the owner and family would have had to have been guided by Gods hand himself.

If this is the case, this is the most "hands on " task that god ever did.

I know of none other that god actually rolled his sleeves up and did something . Mostly it was all by faith.

If he could do something as complicated as that why did he not just strike down the wicked that he wanted the world rid of.

When moses parted the Red sea he allowed it to collapse on the soldiers and KILL them. Why did he not just kill them before all that flashy parting bit. I mean why did God not forgive the soldiers and tell them to return to their homes. Suppose it not good story.

Hoyt --have you visited evilbible .com ?

 

I thought the part about i being simply to large for wooden construction was one of the most obvious truths requiring the story to be allegorical

 

where did old Mr Bill go
I thought there was some compelling argument to be made concerning "proof" of the ark's existence

c'mon old Bill Im curious to see what else you might have

that ground penetrating radar could be interpreted any number of ways and it takes a real expert who operates it regularly and then performs an actual excavation to confirm his interpretations to really be able to understand what those things are showing

maybe you have some list of disinterested parties who have conducted independent radar scans all corroborating the original interpretation ?

Im dying of curiosity and its been almost a hundred posts

?

 

You must have forgotten about the fact that He invented the entire Universe, including all the DNA in every morsel that passes your lips.

Oh, yeah. My Bible is not evil. Maybe you picked up the wrong one.

 

Reading their bibles and seeking divine intervention, something to refute the case for honesty and an open and enquiring mind, or forgiveness for their sins? or looking up the link frosty offered... whilst crossing themselves regularly?

Has someone been watching too much "Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy" There is NO PROOF OF THAT CLAIM, just faith in the scriptures recording an ancient oral history story...

Just stick to the faith bit (as I personally am, in happily accepting the bible), - and not the "catholic" argument of the absolute authority of a book written and interpreted by man from an earlier printed book, from an even earlier printed book and so on back to the "gutenberg edition" and copied from priestly hand-written copies in latin, from some Greek scripts and recently, the partially released and selectively "approved" stories from the "dead sea scrolls" - - ALL BY MAN.... A "Chinese Whisper" game is a good analogy for the history of the Christian bible... As a history precise book it cannot be sustained...

 

ya I think we need to walk softly on each others faith

doesn't mean Im not chomping at the bit for someone to ask about the origins of Christianity but it does mean I wouldn't call it evil per se

its just some religions tend to produce better results than others

the evilbible site is interesting but pretty much one big long insult to the faith of millions and that is not the way to gain another's respect

I gotta go with Hoyt on this one
its a asking a tad much for a man of faith to consider a faithless response to issues concerning a spiritual nature

not that I believe in the whole ark thing

but that site is a tad much for the basic christian to reasonably consider

 

If one cannot read that stuff and say "so what" and hold their faith because the cold logical truth has exposed the ABSOLUTE truth of the bible is found to be lacking and may not be the absolute truth, then their faith needs to be reconsidered - - - The book does not need to be ABSOLUTE... It is a message on how to live, and was written in the context of social mores of 2000 years or so ago...

That a person can accept the Koran, Bible or any other text is a matter of FAITH and need never be argued on any other basis... There is no need for proof of it being historically correct, it is a series of lessons to explain how to live well in a community...

If you do not have that kind of faith, then that person is surely headed for disappointment...

 

I don't see any point in needlessly looking to be insulted. The nice thing about faith is it is voluntary. The bad thing about atheism is those who practice it try to force it on others. Kill me, but you won't kill my faith. If you don't believe, I will still value you as a fellow human being. I would be saddened by your absence when we all get together on that beautiful shore(Heaven).

 

Its always the believers that seem more insulted and attack than those that dont.
I dont care that people spend there entire lives from a 2000 year old book , of course I think its stupid but thats me . My conversation here is religion itself, I find it fascinating that in todays life where we have stem cells and hardly anyone doubts evolution yet religion theory is still stuck in outer places.

City people seem to be more wise up on it than country folk.

Again this is not personal unless you make it but the Tv everynight has documentaries about how the earth was made ( last night) quarks to super novas. How can this fit in with the book.

The speed at which an argument comes from belivers makes me think they are shaky in there faith and I can understand that. It must be difficult with the vast souce of information available today that religion survives --but then I dont think it does.

The most frightening thing I ever hear some one say is when the President of United states --the most powerfull man in ther world says

"God bless America"

What does that mean? Damn everywhere else?

Superstitious twaddle spoken by a powerful man.

You don't swear on the bible in Uk anymore. I hope the world one day gets this crap behind us and we can a ALL live in harmony without fear of getting on a plane because some religious fanatic believes God told him to blow it up.

Ever thought that the devil could have made religion. Its done more damage than he ever could.

 

Here here Frosty. Do you still have that special tool?