Noahs' Ark- Better than New?

But you do believe in them

 

He only did that so Scotland could have a summer holiday.

 

Ever noticed all these storys tend to be around Jesuses home Syria etc.

I mean did they know there were other parts of the world.

You dont see a story like " And it came to pass that the Eskimo hunted the seal and the Polar bear got it first and the Eskimo did frown at this and did scorn the Polar bear,-- No you don't,--- proof that its all made up by people who lived in that area.

There is not a shadow of doubt in my head that this is all crap and I look deep into the eyes of believers to see if there is anything in there.

 

Who he ?????

Baal was always represented as a bull if I remember it right.

Its important to remember that the Hycsos ( "some" of whom would later become the Judaic people ) worshiped Baal at this time in history, according to the earliest Egyptian records noted by Hoyt. So the logical conclusion, assuming there was an expulsion of the Hyksos rather than a migration into the areas abandoned by the Egyptians due to the drought, is that Baal is the God behind the defeat of the Hyksos, again assuming there was a military campaign against them, Which the archeologists at the site of Averis report there is no evidence of . Not Yahweh or his wife Asherah ( who was later edited out of the bible story ). Its all about context, and anyone studying the progression of history needs to be careful to always stick to the contemporary context in which any event occurs. The older the event, the more important it is because the farther removed things are from our normal frames of reference.

PS
the flood story and the exodus story are worlds apart but one thing that always strikes me as being kinda odd is that since the flood story predates the exodus story how is it that the flood could have been caused by a god that the Hyksos had yet to worship ? They didn't worship Yahweh, at least not until long after, say some time around 2750 before present ( BP )

There is another Egyptian text found on the walls of a temple in Soleb, that references the Shasu of Yahweh, who are described a a Bedouin or semi nomadic people living throughout upper Mesopotamia, not specifically the more primitive Hyksos living in the Canaan valley, who are more generally attributed to have spun off the Judaic people. There we see the earliest mention of the term Yahweh, but its unclear if the reference is to a God or a location. All it says is a mention of the Shasu of Yahweh. Most agree that its most likely a God rather than a place since there is no other mention of a place named Yahweh in any historic record. But its written as if its a place. So its a bit premature to start singing from the rooftops but it would look like the Hyksos went through a number of Gods within the Egyptian pantheon before settling on someone elses God at some point long after the time of Egypt took Averis, in about 3500 BP

Speaking of which, if you consider place names the Judaic people mention within the story of the conquest of the canaan valley ( something else that never happened, but only exists in the mythos ) ; they are only all known to have existed at the same time right about 750 BC or 2750 BP. A time frame which also fits well with the archeological record of the Hyksos settling the long abandoned Canaan valley floor, having taken refuge in the hill areas from the Egyptians so many years before.

If there was any parting of the Red Sea, it would appear that its more likely Baal did it, since that was the God the Hyksos were most likely worshiping at the time. Yahweh was most likely the God of the Shasa who although also Semitic, were nomadic Bedouins who are still with us to this day, and are most likely not the ancestors of the Judaic people.

 

Perhaps the hieroglyphs were additional to preach Christianity, were they dated.

Oh no --the Christians would not make it up would they.

Is there not Hieroglyphs of helicopters and space men.

Some despicable students make corn rings and say space ships have landed.

Some one playing with us perhaps and maybe did years ago.

 

Some more than others.

The Bible is a great book. It's a fascinating mix of history, allegories, fables, political science, military strategy and tactics, poetry, morality, justice, economics, and just about anything else you can think of -- including religion. I believe everyone should sit down and read it from beginning to end at least once, instead of just listening to the same old cherry-picked, out-of-context passages all their lives; they'll learn a lot about people and about themselves.

But it isn't science. Those who believe the Earth is literally only a few thousand years old, believe every animal alive today is the direct descendant of pairs that disembarked from a big ship made of gopher wood after a worldwide flood, and want that taught to my children in science classes, aren't playing with a full deck.

 

We have bozos like that here too. I haven't seen anything quite as sick as
linking the teaching of evolution to high-school massacres. Yet.

 

An interesting phenomenon the last few years is the synergy developing between fundamentalist American Christians and fundamentalist Turkish Muslims, on the subject of creationism vs. evollution.

I think those are the only two countries in the world where there are organized creationist movements trying to substitute religion for science in schools, when it comes to evolution -- along with any physics, geology, astronomy, biology, et cetera that contradicts Judaic creation myths as literal, scientific truth.

Most of it's been one way so far, with Turkish creationists translating, plagiarizing or paraphrasing American books on the subject. But I'm sure that if I looked around, I could find instances of American creationists quoting our Muslim brethren approvingly on the subject, in between hating Islam for everything else.

 

I've always been kinda curious about why some folks cling to the literal interpretation rather than a historical based assessment supported by all the various means of study at our disposal. It seems kinda silly to insist the place was created in six days or that Jesus was killed for anything but political reasons. Sure there's good lessons to be learned within the mythos of all the myriad of religions but taking them literally, just doesn't make sense.

cheers
B

 

And so is "Mushasi" by E. Yoshikawa, or "Julius Caesar" by W.Shakespeare, or even more update any Tom Clancy or G.Green novels. All spiced with military/history/political et al aspects to their stories.

All works of fiction are a good read for those interested in that type of genre.

Some even like S.Sheldon novels...

 

The Bible is not a work of fiction.

 

Of course not. It's a justification and manual for killing non-believers. Fact

 

I don't want to get into an argument about who has the biggest nuts, as it were, but we have some good ones, e.g.
"In 1977, the Creation Science Association (CSA) was organised in Adelaide, Australia ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Ministries_International

 

What is it they say --the flesh is strong but the mind is weak.

Hoyt lives an a bible world of his own. Im ok with that as long as he dont get dangerous with it.

Atheism is growing and thats the main thing . Then we can get on with life such as stem cell research and grant abortion to ***** 16 year olds, as if it even needed a discussion.

Damn the bible ---look im still here full health, no lightening strikes.

The hoyts will pass and younger more sense hungry youth will come and churches made into bingo halls.

 

One of the really big problems is that folks "study" their bible, be it christian, muslim or whatever

Dont do that - study religion
the history, the why and the where

your eyes will opened wide, and your mind will be set free
all religions were and still are about money and control
religion is the opiate of the masses, especially the uneducated masses
the fear of god is simply the same fear of the dark and the bogey man

the all seeing all knowing all wise god is not doing all that well now is he?
religion and the "invention" of a super god is a man made tool to control the masses
funny thing is "god" is a good tool for the masses, depending on where you are, it often works