New radical boat kitchen?

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  1. westlawn5554X
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    westlawn5554X STUDENT

    Ok , The real floating object is the important issue of boat building or else it would be furniture building which occasionally float too. I am studying meaning going hopefully entangle the mystery of a better floating vessel that's why I seldom comment on something I fully cant explain in proper english.

    It is not a compulsory to study on marine vessel building only and take up a course on interior design could really give me an idea of what is practicle and whats is dangerous IMO.

    I mean no disrespect for professional with their view of traditional look and feel. I do respect that but I would rather explore the design and try building a boat for myself before for any customer.If I get the course final exam.

    Well, I maybe young but I did alot of racing design for Motoracing and tuning. I have done landscaping assistant in a company. and etc. This is my private experience influencing upon myself.
  2. webbwash
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    webbwash Junior Member

    Personally, I would think that it is a nice idea if you are producing a houseboat sitting on a benign body of water, say water and sand with a mixture of cement, with a mother-in-law apartment above or below, depends upon how you might view that dear woman --
    Actually it is an impractical design as Gonzo has alluded to. In any seaway you will be so tossed about that fixing a meal would be nigh on impossible. And, the circulation around the "kitchen" (galley) will eat up far too much real estate which makes it even more impractical.
    Nice trying to think out of the box, but the sea is a tempestuous mistress and has developed her own set of rules as to what works and what doesn't.
  3. timplett
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    timplett Junior Member

    For all of you that are saying this idea wouldn't work, have you tried it? I'm not saying it will, but no one really knows if it will until they try, that's how it always works when sailing into uncharted territory.
  4. Wilma Ham
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    Wilma Ham Senior Member

    There seems to be a fine line about revolutionary ideas and making it practical. What I enjoy about radical ideas is that it shakes your thinking and most of the time we think of something we already know with some minor modification which never leads to something new. It might not lead to a rotating kitchen but it might lead to rotating chairs for example.
    The art is to taste the idea, see it for what it is worth and see if it can be applied somewhere else. I would like to encourage student to think as outrageous as possible, building small prototypes and then it might spark a thought that can be used somewhere else.
    The public is slow in the uptake of new ideas, but I think with education and a good example people might get to appreciate the difference.
    When I first saw a Bavaria or a Benneteau I thought they were great until I was taught by a sailor how nonsensical certain things were and it didn't take me long to get the point!
  5. Frosty

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    Some one has already said --and I agree with then whole heartedly that they dont want eat when its rough. Gonzo has said you need to eat to work and thats fair enough but for most boats rough weather is not the norm and being so rough as to have trouble is very rare for most of us. It is not necessary to have steak and eggs every day. For most of us sailing as couples we would avoid rough weather like the plague and not leave the anchorage.

    However I do not eat when its rough, my instruction are as always clear the boat of any thing that moves, its bad enough walking around without walking on broken glass or peanut butter. I will quite happily have a cup of tea or soup, (electric Kettle) cheese sandwich. cream crackers, tin of beans , what ever. I will not have some one risk fire or burning them selves because a crew member wants fried eggs. Rough weather always subsides. If it looks like bad weather --pre pack, make some sandwiches up. Think ahead as you would your sail wardrobe. I would keel haul any one going into the galley without my permission.
    All said and done I sail around the east near the equator,-- never rough for more than a day or two--- and rough aint Atlantic rough.

    SO make your nice kitchen /galley it will get used 364 days of the year anyway.
  6. Tim B
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    Tim B Senior Member


    To say that you won't use the galley when it gets rough, and therefore it's rough-weather utility doesn't matter is almost as ludicrous as not taking flares and safety gear because you don't expect to need them.

    Whether you EXPECT something to happen to you is irrelevant. What counts is that the boat looks after you when something bad does happen. That is where good designers are appreciated, and bad designers are sued. In rough conditions you've got too much to think about already,. don't add to your problems if you can help it.

    Very few people get killed in good conditions. In bad conditions, the boat HAS to work, otherwise lives can be lost.

    For anyone who wants to examine the points on the dangers of rough weather, I suggest you read "Fastnet, Force 10" by John Rousmaniere. It will certainly make you respect the elements.

    Tim B.
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    Sorry - I understand the points that both Tim and Mike are making - above all else a boat must be a) safe and b) practical.
    But, as I've also stated earlier, in 39 years of cruising I don't think I've ever had to cook in rough weather. There are plenty of occaisions where I've had to delay my meal by an hour or three, maybe even get by with something to nibble on straight out of the cupboard. But in conditions like this, as others have said, I have no desire to cook, let alone eta, a three course meal.
    Clearly, it's not suggested that a variation on this kitchen (oh hell - now he's got me calling it that!:eek: ) be fitted to a fastnet yacht, or for that matter a comercial fishing boat. Probably not to a sailing vessel of any kind. But for any number of the floating condo's that get about these days, I think with a little careful thought and engineering we could tick sfatey off the list of concerns.
    Practicality may or may not be another matter....
  8. Frosty

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    Tim Where I sail, and theres a hell of a lot of us out here, you dont need flares, no one will see them and no one will do any thing if they do . Here you have to loose that 'OH the RNLI will save me' idea. You are on your own.

    Your analogy of a galley bieng like a box of flares is not understandable, I dont go buy an in date galley for the trip?

    Rough weather will kill you. The very least you should offer your crew who is looking up to you to save thie life is a place of safety,-- a place within they can do there best. When its rough there are lots of areas out of bound, Galley, pissing off the back, Bow, the forward hatch is locked, and when its dark no one comes up on deck that is not on watch. Harnesses have to be on BEFORE coming up. To go even further I want to know if any one is ill or even feels ill. You will shower and toilet in daylight --no light shall be turned on at night upsetting the helmsman. All these things I have in my mind and will coordinate who does what as neseccary.

    The last thing I want is people trying to make stuff in the galley. You WILL eat when I say so. You WILL sleep when I say so.

    This is serious stuff and needs to be respected as such. Fear the sea and it may let you cross her and let you live.

    As captain you should be able to handle all this and more.

    I could never understand how people get caught out with reefing too late, Jees theres the sky, there!! above your head, look at it, You only need 10 minutes.
  9. Tim B
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    I think you have slightly missed the point of what I was saying.

    Whether you choose to cook in rough weather is up to you. What is important when designing a galley is that you should be ABLE to cook in rough weather. Even if you're just heating up a tin of beans.

    Also, on the subject of the RNLI, we are very lucky to have them. However, I don't ever want to be in a situation where they have to rescue me.

    Further, if you read all the posts I have ever made on this forum, I have never, never suggested that good design was an alternative to good sailing. Good design is a matter of balancing a thousand factors, including the boat's handling, ergonomics, usability in all conditions (possibly including lying beam-to-wind in 100kts wind (under bare poles) -- This is a survivability criterion not required by law, but it is good sense.). After all of that,then it has to look good.

    When you've been designing for a while it doesn't take long to get on a boat and decide what works and what doesn't, and more importantly, why it does or doesn't work. What doesn't work doesn't get included in later designs.

    Tim B.
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    webbwash Junior Member

    Bless their pointed little heads -- but being rescued by the RNLI does not turn me on -- and if I am in that position, you can be sure I won't be fixing a cuppa for the boat crew.

    However, while tooling around the harbor or out to sea in a breeze it is nice to have a u-shaped galley to keep oneself addressing the problems of cooking, rather than being tossed about willy-nilly. Making the galley aisle small enough for one person to cook and one to kibbitz from the outside, LOL.
    Have fun, but not at the expense of king Neptune -- and his wiley cooks.
  11. SammieJ
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    I like the way you're thinking!

    Hi everyone,

    This is my first post and I'm a novice designer but an experienced sailor.....firstly congrats to all on here; it's a fab site and you are all sooooo helpful!!!

    I think this level of "outside the box" thinking is exactly what's needed in yacht design. I'm not saying this particular option is a great idea for a boat (and I agree with chef security underway) but at least it's going in the right direction in terms of taking some of the innovative design that's available for modern homes and applying it to a marine environment?

    Keep up the way out suggestions I say!

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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    "And the interior designs of normal sailing boats of around 40ft are not showing a lot innovative thinking and I am not impressed."

    "I think this level of "outside the box" thinking is exactly what's needed in yacht design."

    Reality does need to raise its ugly head at times.

    The reason so many galleys look similar is 5000 years of boatbuilding has shown some reasonable concepts.

    The U shaped galley does seem to provide purchase so the cookie isnt tossed to far too often.
    Handholds and fiddles have proven their worth.

    Gymboled asthwartships stoves seem the best as the outboard hull mounted units leave the option of 50% of the time the contents get tossed on the cook.

    Top loading freezers do save a bit of energy, even if less convienant than the freezer in a drawer.

    Its not "tradition " or lack of "outside the box thinking" its REALITY that designs most functional galleys.

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  13. skyl4rk
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    skyl4rk Junior Member

    If you cut the cylinder down the middle from the top down, and install each half on either side of the passageway, it might be better suited for a boat. The semicircle counter is a good idea, you get more usable counter space in a small area.
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  14. westlawn5554X
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    westlawn5554X STUDENT

    Hei, that's great... I am still thinking of other shape and possibiity, making model from cardboard and the swing system tryout:) Thanks for the additional ideas

  15. MarkC
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    MarkC Senior Member

    The German 'Caravan Show' has just finished (in Düsseldorf).

    I imagine that it would be very interesting to most marine designers/builders etc. because of the oportunity for cross-over to marine interior design.

    This show is probably so good due to the intense competition between the German companies - let alone other european or american makes, that technology bounds ahead and it is what I think the cutting-edge of interior design.

    Anything from €10K through to €1.5million.

    The interiors of these vehicles!! What you can turn a delivery van into!

    How about as standard stuff:

    - biocompost toilets that turn waste into grey-water in 24 hours
    - as quoted above 'pod/column kitchens'
    - tables that jack into the overhead liner or convert into a raised bed
    - showers in just about whatever size vehicle you like
    - inbuilt couches/sofas/armchairs
    - plasma screens
    - heating, cooling etc. etc. etc.

    Also offered is - 'Whatever interior combination you like' - in production models...

    coming to a boatyard near you - soon...
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