My objections to Zero's new Health care plan.

It is not hypocrisy to be uninsured and against government controlled healthcare. Begging is a pretty far stretch. You are basically denigrating the victim for political gain.

victim is debatable and his lawyer was asking on his behalf for donations because he was too medicated to ask for himself

 

Wardd,

If the victim status is debatable, let us have the debate.

The film clips show a much smaller man on the ground with a group of larger union shirt wearing men standing over him in an aggressive manner. There were 2 arrests for assault, both union members.

Is it your position that a smaller man selling protest gear threw the first punch at an obvious pro Obama group of larger men dressed in union garb?

You have not ventured an opinion of Obama's published remarks about the "Chicago way" and violence committed by his left wing supporters.

Your cut and paste posting is an attempt to denigrate Ken Gladney, your political opponent. Why do you do that?

 

i havnt had a chance to read obamas remarks yet

gladney was up and walking around after his so called attack and next day he's in a wheelchair all lawyered up asking for donations for his medical care and you dont see anything fishy here?

 

Mas,
Usanians is a rather odd term to an American's ears. Is that your invention or is it in common use elsewhere?

"So why all this "begging-socialist / democrat / republican / thieving-capitalist" crap, it is surely a common cause for ALL usanians"

This is not a common cause amongst all Americans. We have a cultural divide in this country. 1 side wants more and more from a government that doesn't have the money to pay for it, as you are quick to point out. The other side does not want the government to take on a bigger role in our problems nor trust it to act in a responsible manner.

An imperfect but approximate division has one side a coalition of liberals, Democrats, socialists and a more urban base with the other side a coalition consisting of conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians, captalists and a more rural base. There are many exceptions of course. Hence the political fight, namecalling, etc. We are not pissing on half our gunpowder we are trying to shoot each other with it.

 

Wardd,
I have no doubt his lawyer designed a press conference for maximum effect. On the other hand why would Gladney have had a wheelchair prior to being injured? While I myself would not take a litiguous route to right this wrongdoing I don't see why he should not. I am more of a hands on, fix it myself, kind of a guy.

What I find fishy is your rather blatant attempt to make him look bad while maintaining a veneer of plausible deniablity.

 

after the attack he was up and walking around telling everybody he was attacked and waving his arms around

it was when he was begging for money that the wheelchair came into it

find and watch the videos

 

It has been suggested that apathy is the reason for Americas problems. But if I was American I too would be apathetic I mean what can you do honestly.

I said before that America has been all that is good and at the same time brought all that is bad.

Perhaps it is just too big .We sit and watch this unfold, this vast economy has lost control of itself.

To change the government means you have to change the minds of millions and millions of people!! how can you do that, you cant.

Hence apathy.

 

Wardd,

A closer examination of my posts will show you I have seen the videos.

You question if he is a victim or not but won't address the subject when asked directly. I can see a couple bigger guys in union garb standing over him in a threatening manner and being chased off by the crowd.

Do you think a smaller guy like him would throw the first punch at a group of 4 bigger obvious union guys?

Why do you suppose the police arrested the 2 union members for assault?

Why do you keep casting aspersions on Gladney by stressing that he is begging. That is a far stretch of the term.

You give every indication of acting as an apologist for the brown shirt tactics of the SEIU and are trying to smear this poor guy for political points on an international boating forum of all places. Your cover as an indifferent observer is long blown. Why don't you man up and address the questions raised or retire gracefully and leave us in peace.

 

Excellent point.
"Show me the money"?

Seems to be getting run over by the emotional adrenaline rushes gained in doing the following:

I starting to believe that eventually "adrenaline addiction" swamps logic and reason.

 

Excellent point. - - "Show me the money"? - - - http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

Ah, didn't know about that thing, informative.

Just to be clear, I was meaning "show me the money" that's gonna pay for the thing.

 

True, and I answered it I hope, to your satisfaction? - - Of course there is the printing presses, if they are not running too hot... and Bernanke still has access to the "signature" money that a "snap of the fingers" can create....

 

Ah printing presses ,--a documentary 2 days ago I forgot to tell you. 40 million a day printed, 10 million more than dirty ones coming in.

I still don't think it will catch up to that clock. No way.

 

i dont know what he would do, nothing people do surprises me but he was up and walking around talking to people immediately after

why they were arrested if they were i dont know that either

his lawyer put it in the best possible way, asking for donations toward his medical care

one thing has been bugging me is the public option could possibly bring down health care costs to the individual by giving the insuraance companys true compitition so say your taxes go up $1 but you save $4 in premiums , isnt that a good deal?

your $3 to the good. its not taxes that bug me, its what i get in return

i once listened to a small business owner raise hell about all the taxes he paid, and you know what, most of his business came from government, if it wasnt for those same taxes he wouldnt be in business

some people are so cought up in government bad, taxes bad that they cant see any good in them

its when the bad government crowd run government that it seems at its worst, need i mention "your doing a hecka of a good job brownie" and katrina. when bush came to power fema was a world class organization them bush filled it with his cronies and look what happened to it

 

Whatever the US government does costs more than if you did it in the private sector. It's just a historical fact.

The government plan will end up costing more than a private plan. A typical private plan costs a family like $500-600/month. Tax revenues will have to go up AT LEAST this much per household in order to pay for this. For far less money than the cost of the proposed 'overhaul', we could simply buy all the un-insured people private insurance plans.

We know the money will NOT be raised through an 'income tax' for two reasons: one is that you would have to raise the income tax on the middle class pretty heavily to find enough money and that would break a key campaign promise, and two, as the wealthy are already paying the bulk of this tax (top 4% of earners pay 55% of all income tax revenues) ; there simply isn't enough rich people to pay for what they are proposing.

So instead they are going raise to taxes on EVERYTHING to attempt to pay the bill. The 'cap and trade' scheme is a key part of this. All sorts of other taxes are being proposed from 'soda pop; taxes to a national VAT, which instead of REPLACING the income tax, would be IN ADDITION to the income tax.

Jimbo