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My little piece of peace

Discussion in 'Marketplace' started by masalai, Feb 5, 2009.

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  1. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    Things are slipping inexorably towards a place of greater and greater chaos. While I agree that every generation has thought it was the last the difference is that our resource clock is running out, things like arable land, oil, food, about the only thing we seem to always find room for is trash and a more and more of that is toxic these days. Deal is our financial condition is only a small part of it, the bigger concern is the 7 billion or so of us that are on the fast track to resource depletion. Which brings me to yes I think there is an end in sight, even if we do resolve some of the issues with energy we still have that pesky little population to deal with. At some point a finite space can only produce a finite amount of food air and water. Gubments are falling right and left but thats neither here nor there, because to me the real issue is how my neighbors deal with it.
     
  2. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Here is a view of CNO moored at a friends place... Quite grainey, but my little pocket camera was at full zoom 6x optical (+4x digital)...

    Another using the CanonSX1 and again cropped...
     

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  3. Richard Atkin
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    looks great.
    hey mas, be sure to avoid using the radar when people are admiring CNO from the dock.
    and by the way, you said you had three near death experiences. i know about the broken hip....what were the other two?
     
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    oh yeah....the allergic reaction to epoxy. yikes
     
  5. Boston

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    I love the idea of operating the thing on coconut oil Mass, if there's one thing they have in the tropics its coconuts. You need an onboard processor. Something that will take the raw coconut, husk it, crack it open and grind it to a pulp then seperate the shell from the meat, boil it down maybe using the husk as a fuel and then filter it. You could keep it simple and just grind the whole thing down to slime and then cook out the oils. No clue but a few trials later and I'm sure you'd have a viable system in no time.

    best of luck and quit all this talk about selling it off. You put way to much time into her and looks great. So go make it happen.
     
  6. troy2000
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    I believe that particular piece of equipment is commonly known as a "wife"....:D

    [Ow, ow, ouch! Damn, woman... back off! Don't you know a joke when you hear one?!?]
     
  7. Boston

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    That would be the anchor, old ball and chain, in a tropical paradise full of nubile beauties I'd say that anchor would best serve its purpose being thrown overboard. ;-)

    but thats just me
     
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    Boston, what's the difference between what you're telling us now, and what I heard in the sixties? Aside from the time frame, of course.

    I remember seeing a reproduction of a tire ad from around World War One, warning us that we only had five or ten years of petroleum supplies left--and of course saying that if everyone used that company's tires it would conserve energy, and extend the supply of gasoline by 'X' number of years.
     
  9. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    OK with the mirth... Luckily for me, unlike Troy, she who must be obeyed, is asleep at the moment...

    Gather the coconuts - Labour of owner harvested (when they are at their best coconuts fall to the ground...

    Brought to a centralised place and de-husked A steel spike or even a wooden stick planted in the ground, point upwards and the husk peeled off in several easy movements... Husk has several uses

    Shell is whacked with the back of a bush-knife and rotated with the stalk/eye end and the bottom end forming the horizontal axis (the poles) and the blade strikes on the 'equator' readily spliting open, the 'water' is collected and the meat finger cut out - a technique that is easily learnt... The shells make premium quality activated charcoal...

    To make copra, the meat is dried to less than 6% moisture content. BUT

    Run the fresh meat through a hammer-mill to pass through a 6mm grating (passing the recirculated coconut water through the hammer mill helps wash the pulp through the grating)...

    Pass the drained pulp through an expeller and recover the oil... Let the coconut water settle and recover the oil that floats to the top... This is the first pressing and the temperature must be kept down as this is the cold pressed health/pharma product - filter and store...

    Pass the meal from the first pressing through the expeller a second time with the pressure significantly ramped up - the meal will come out nicely toasted by the heat generated... This, when it is finely filtered is CNO (for use in powering machinery in the 'factory' and in farm tractors and of course My Boat)....... The machinery is too heavy to fit on CNO...

    6YL-68 & 6YL-68J in the attached image are something like the expeller I would be using... They weigh around 150 to 350Kg each with engine (15 or so hp and slow revving @ 1500rpm) and process 150 to 250kg of coconut meat per hour... All quite simple technology...

    The meal (toasted and cooled) makes excellent feed for livestock... - - - - The water makes a good supplement for piglets, lactating pigs and cattle etc...
     

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  10. whitepointer23

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    is the loom duplicated on the other engine, could you swap looms and see if that fixs it. just a thought, i am sure you would have tried it if possible.
     
  11. Boston

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    Mass
    think smaller on the equipment, something personal sized.

    Troy
    admit it
    we're doomed ;-)
     
  12. troy2000
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    We're all doomed, Boston; that's our lot when we're born. According to the Book, there's only been one guy who ever got out of it all alive -- and he had help from his dad.:)
     
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    Boston, are you familiar with Malthus? I mean the English scholar of course, not the demon...

    You're well into Malthusian territory now, way beyond Masalai's anti-capitalism, and you two need to sort out exactly what's destroying the world: exploitation by evil western democratic capitalism, or overpopulation. Because it isn't the capitalist western countries that are breeding like crazy....
     
  14. Boston

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    I don't think either of us are promoting the single cause theory, there are multiple gremlins at work here. Individually most of the problems are not cataclysmic ( CO2 being the exception ) but together these issues are the proverbial snowball
     

  15. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    That scale has been done DME has spread through the region and beyond... That method is good but leaves a big gap above that concept...

    NOT DOOMED unless we INSIST on continuing BLINDLY in the old ways,,, (worked well for the past 200 years !!! ??? )...

    Society must restructure and be more attuned to 'natures flows', - instead of bashing **** out of the world to force it to comply to "man's will" like a mad mob of arrogant fools...

    Many of the resources are FINITE::
    OIL: - and lets assume we have USED 40% of identifiable oil resources (excluding coal) - It is at the stage where easy and cheap access has diminished and now all sorts of "smart-arse" methods are being tried to extract that which is reluctant to voluntarily come to the surface... The cost of extraction is becoming more and more expensive... Availability of easily crackable oils like "West Texas Crude" has all but ended... Most refineries, especially in USA, are held together by rust/paint and a prayer... A modest "natural event" will severely impact on any chance of USA economic recovery... That is the issue...

    Others cannot be forced::
    WATER: - Reverse osmosis is EXPENSIVE... Capture of rain is unreliable and expensive... Natural underground aquifers are becoming depleted... Factories and other operations, (human activity), are polluting other sources... WE ARE USING MORE THAN THE REPLINISHMENT RATE...

    AGRICULTURAL LAND: - Globally, land is being bought in huge tracts... When those who have little, (subsistence lifestyle), loose that, then they have nothing else to loose and become VERY DANGEROUS... http://www.trendsresearch.com/gerald.php and audio here http://www.trendsresearch.com/SubscriberArea/gerald-celente-on-the-gary-null-show-16-may-2011 will help you understand some points I feel have merit and different perspectives... They will react, and these victims will extract their revenge ... metering JUST DESERTS...

    The points above are just a fraction of the issues confronting the world... Humanity as a race is just sooo bloody arrogantly stupid, greedy and blind... Most cannot absorb big picture multifaceted cases, as 30 second sound bytes tend to overload their capacity to comprehend ... Many other potentially reasonable people are handicapped by a lack of global knowledge and understanding, being bound and constrained by their "peer pressure" limited, restrictive "local view"...

    I chose to concentrate on the GEC, as it had the potential for popular research and review accessibility for those who had a vague interest in what was happening and why did they feel they were hitting a brick wall at every turn?

    OVERPOPULATION: is an issue that is a HUGE can of worms that I do not wish to open...

    OCEANIC farming in a SUSTAINABLE way is one option that may be of worthy consideration on this forum... You will notice I did not suggest "harvesting", as a suggestion, as that will lead to greed and resource depletion, as is being felt and witnessed now...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY as Boston's link, starts with understanding the mathematics of the "EXPONENTIAL FUNCTION", and overpopulation and other issues confronting society today... Dr Bartlett has the capacity to explain complex systems so that even simpletons can understand the concept - unless their 30 second attention span has expired...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb3JI8F9LQQ&feature=relmfu is part 2 of eight - continue with your learning experience... The Gaul bladder illustration exceeded the attention span of the students - and their capacity to comprehend - mental overload???
     
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