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My little piece of peace

Discussion in 'Marketplace' started by masalai, Feb 5, 2009.

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  1. hoytedow
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    Good luck and good night.
     
  4. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Hello World, - - The masalai is feeling much better (physically) - the bloodshot eyes are from an overdose of alcohol - Maybe viruses do not take kindly to the drink:D:D - If you believe that lie - heaven forbid, that I am getting the touch of a politician - no No NO:!:... On a less tongue in cheek? note - the only pain I have, is from chest and stomach muscles enduring the almost constant coughing... I am reminded of that lass in USA with a coughing affliction - must be painful - my sympathies - I hope she finds a cure...

    The berths, it seems have to have a "roof" as that is part of the engineering on which are mounted the winches and also because of the aft chainplate to handle the loads there... (also puts an end to any ideas of "breakfast on bed" - by standing on the bed and cooking breakfast,,,:D:D:D)

    Team leader is waiting the delivery of "the helicopter" a massive instrument to fair large areas... Eliminating the "long board fairing tool" torture and replacing it with the pneumatic noise of air powered ???... I think the best bet is to try to get a picture when it arrives...

    I measured the height clearance of the engine bay, and I may need a "power-bulge" - - but more likely sell that cute Kubota genset and buy 2 smaller units - - http://www.wattagan.com.au/index.html?target=p_8.html&lang=en-us - - time will tell and another lesson learned the hard way:D:D... I may sell the Kubota to our land home and become "OFF CIRCUIT" for the mains electricity as we are also planning solar panels for that home too... Or use it in a Melanesian project...
     

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    Fanie Fanie

    Hi Mas,
    It looks better and better every day. That friggin washing machine is still in the lounge. I can see in the end it is going to double as a coffee table or a place in which you keep the beer on ice :D
     
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    We have a new lass news event. This time it is a sneezing affliction. About 20 times per minute. Previously we had one who was constantly hiccuping.
     
  7. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    The washing machine? well why move it if it is not absolutely necessary? yet... finish painting downstairs, then protect with plastic wrap on the doorway, and place in its place...

    The "hiccup" did not make it here, or I did not see it, but the "sneezing" did, as an offbeat news item...
     
  8. judy
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    judy Oram 44C Builder

    I thought the washing machine was a helmstation placemarker.
     
  9. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Was, and I figured I could have an effective view from there of the sails and ahead etc - but - I think I will have to accept the engineering constraints of the designer, and my needs may see some changes to comply, (a boat is a compromise?) and I cannot find a genset that is smaller (shorter in height) and lighter so as a pair to make the same output...

    A "power bulge" to accommodate if the existing genset which will go in the bay where the vacuum cleaner is resting... Where else? - - In the hold forward of the place where washing machine is supposed to be (starboard equivalent space to the toilet), where the 116 litre holding tank was going to go to balance the black water holding tank for the toilet to port... (same size -116 litres)??? (engine-genset is about the same -poo-full-weight)... - - Wont work because, apart from opening the hatch, too difficult to get enough air in for engine combustion and alternator cooling...:eek::?:

    That would mean I do not need external hatches for where the forward berths used to be and could access them via little Crawl in doors Shower recess to port and matched space Starboard, (or maybe even smaller hatches on foredeck) and keep stuff in there such as HWS, RO watermaker, ships 12V or 24V batteries (nav, bilge pumps, nav lights etc) docking fenders, water and fuel containers(empty), spare ropes etc...

    ???Could the 4 x 20Kg batteries for the Torqeedo outboards go in the space under that where the mainsheet track used to be???, (no mainsheet now)? - - and to save on 3 genoa winches could the 2 main winches go on top say, 500mills either side of the centre? or is the engineering determinant such that they must reside over the aft berths (both being used only when "pointing high"), meaning a third one still on the mainsheet (centred) track bulkhead when both genoa sheet feeds will go leeward side...? (Broad to downwind)...

    When pointing high, if it is "absolutely NECESSARY" to go forward, go and return on the leeward side of the boat, holding onto the roof edge handrails... Otherwise go forward on the windward side... - Nothing to do forward except when anchoring and coming alongside... (when the boat is in normal operation)... X-IT even does anchor bridles and winching from inside "forward cabin", and there is no easy fore deck access under way and too big for most marina berths:D:D:D...
     
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  10. judy
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    Could you revisit your original forward cockpit plan? Perhaps it need not be so big, just slightly wider than the dimensions of the "washing machine", so you can still fit past to go down the companionways.

    We intend to have our winches on the foredeck, accessible from the forward cockpit, and using turning blocks to get the genoa lines back forward. Heck, Gunboats get their mainsheets back to the forward cockpit, so I don't see it would be too difficult. We have plenty of room on the sidedecks for all this manipulation, as they will be used for little else. BTW our f/cockpit will be (possibly larger than it need be at) 1000mm deep (forward/aft) and 1500mm wide, with an access door on the starboard side, not in the back wall as in the plans.
     
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    Just another thought - a trapezoid shaped forward cockpit could be the answer - say 1000mm wide at the mast beam and 600mm wide at the back.
     
  12. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Hi Judy, Thanks for your intervention, and input...

    I was keen on the concept of the forward cockpit, but I think a revision of this shot home in my mind when I saw how the John Hitch design worked, and John was nice enough to explain the systems, the sheets come way aft anyway, so why take them back forward, as on the aft bridgdeck, I would always be in the shade, near the galley and everything needed, and I do not really need the 'romance of wind and salt spray in my disappearing hair':D:D - - As much as the gunboat impresses, to me, it is a day/weekend racer with luxury and a marina man to clean it up ready for the next weekend, and less of a permanent live aboard cruiser for an "ageing lazy old coot"...

    I also realised that the sheet points need to be moved slightly when "pointing high", as the windward sail must be sheeted further inboard (about the width of the hull) and the leeward sheet near the outer edge of the hull line... and for all other points both sheets go to the leeward side... That philosophical change took me quite a while to get my head around... The hitch-hiker sailplan defies accepted in-line-sail-plan thinking... Don't point too high but go for VMG both to windward and tack on downwind work using VMG... Never with the apparent wind close to dead astern, and either head up or down wind to keep both sails working if apparent is beam on as shadowing kills efficiency, else reef the windward sail in beam-on cases... I will likely sail from "ghosting" in early mornings etc., to 20knots apparent, else motor...

    On "just another thought" (post #941), the space between is just under 2metres, pretty squeezy? and from the mast beam/bulkhead back to the galley is 550mm ish, (less than 600mm) The washing machine just fits down the stairs carried with fingers underneath, at the bottom, stood up, manoeuvred around to face back first then manipulated into position - a tight squeeze... and it is a small machine...

    If I had the luxury of building again I would do the same but on a 44C design as the accommodation seems better suited (headroom wise) and seek an engineering redesign so the aft chainplates and sheets could be further aft and slightly more mast tilt to better balance the sails, - - - but then again I am inclined to feel, with slightly better headroom in some places the 39C is almost perfect...
     
  13. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Originally referenced by Judy, Posted by masalai
    - - and to save on 3 genoa winches could the 2 main winches go on top say, 500mills either side of the centre? or is the engineering determinant such that they must reside over the aft berths (both being used only when "pointing high"), meaning a third one still on the mainsheet (centred) track bulkhead when both genoa sheet feeds will go leeward side...? (Broad to downwind)...

    With appropriate camcleats or whatever feeding both sides of the winch would just one large-ish electric winch (with manual handle socket on top) be appropriate to mount midships (or anywhere else), on the mainsheet (not-now-used) track bulkhead assembly? - possibly not as both on self-tailing-winches would facilitate any necessary trim adjustments...
     
  14. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    The instrument of torture, a "helicopter" or - death-ray to ward off any pirate attacks, effectively turns strong men into whimpering masses of spineless jelly (can be quite sensuous for those into S&M);) :p :D :cool: :eek:
     

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    Fanie Fanie

    What does the helicopter do ?
     

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