Maybe Massalai was right after all

What that individual has done for anything, on this forum or off, is beyond me. Don't care about the bug mind of Frosty. WP, I simply don't like.
Yes, Bos, politicians, promises to bring back more stuff to constituents, spending others' money, "getting" the rich white guy and making him pay "his fair share" of "our wealth"... all have contributed to the fall of our country. You fought me right until the end. I believe you had good intentions but good intentions were destructive here, as often. The best and brightest are now leaving with their best and brightest offspring, the upper middle are buying gold, bullets, gardens, food and silver, the Federal employees and more stable unioners will ride the last bit of wave until it breaks to dirty foam, the lower middle are buying guns, a new Chevy at discount (on credit), going out to dinner because they are still believing Barack or somebody else is the answer and will save us, and the poor are watching the royal wedding on a BIG screen from their one piece of livingroom furniture, talking on cell phones, smoking cigarettes, feeding their pets, doing drugs and don't know that they are going to soon be hungry, looting, and maybe shot dead in the act.
I know an economist who sends a one-word email to Geithner every day - "Stop" but Geithner doesn't stop. He is trying to drag out the inevitable until he can have deniability (and blame the collapse of the country on the next Treasury Secretary and President, when, in fact, the problem lies more withe Treasury Secretary and Congress*). Not just the US. Europe, too, although they have seemingly caught on slightly sooner. The only places not reverting to third-world status over the next few years are likely the ones who are already there. One hand for yourselves, one for the ship, mates - it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

*The President, who many people want to blame for the crises, is part of the problem, to be sure, but always remember that all spending originates in the House. There is plenty of blame to go around - I'll place most of it on Congress and the judicial system, activist judges, blurring right and wrong and getting away with treason , biasing Constitutional decisions with their own life-experiences, wants and desires, rather than interpreting the Constitution, which is their job. Yeah, some blame goes to the President and his liberal agenda but some goes to rich white guys, as well, crooks, scammers, union bosses (in general, not so much union workers - They're just looking out for their own best interest and I can't fault that. It's the corruption at the upper end that has mostly been a problem). Here's the shocker - most of the blame goes to the American people.The President, a child who has done nothing but give a good speech, went from one school to another, to the Senate, then immediately to the Whitehouse, abbetted by a teleprompter and the color of his skin (we wanted to demonstrate how non-racist we were) is just a symptom of a sick society. The real problem lies with a culture that would laud, then vote such a man into office (then laud some more). The culture that sees government not as a necessary entity, a cooperative if you will, to protect from foreign invasion and serve as a arbiter and representative of the states and their individual matters of discrepancy, but as an all-powerful, all-knowing provider of... ALL has tapped a root deep under the foundation of freedom and so upturned it that our view is now slanted. Spending money to get out of the problem caused by... spending money, not just throwing Christ under the bus as some inconsequential, quaint if mislead and anachronistic symbol of men's fear of the dark, but poohpoohing and abandoning the ideals of Christianity, hope, charity, doing the right thing, taking care of your neighbors, working hard (thanks, Protestants - it was good while it lasted!), being self-reliant and resting on no man until absolutely necessary (for many, strength was on loan from Christ, whether you believe he is your savior or not. He allowed many others to grow up caring, loving and working hard to your benefit).
We now have your Utopia (almost). Everyman is equal, few Believe, the government takes care of everything of which you desire. Heaven, isn't it?
Congratulations.

 

Thanks, Protestants? For the hard work? Please, Mark. How many Irishmen and Italians, among others, worked their Catholic butts off to help build this country? How many Catholic Mexicans are busting their tails in farmers' fields right now, as I'm typing this?

This isn't the first time I've run into the odd belief that hard work, frugality, public service and all the other virtues that help glue a society together were invented by American WASP'S (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants). In fact, I'd love to have a dollar for every time I've read the phrase "Protestant work ethic" in some idiot's bigoted diatribe. I'd love to know who originally started spreading such a cockamamie notion.

It's almost as absurd as the tendency of some folks to believe that conservative Republicans somehow own patriotism, love of country and the American flag...

 

Most of the greedy people I have encountered are on the left, on being charitable with other people's money while demanding a free ride for themselves, ala Nacy P., who made sure Delmonte didn't have to pay minimum wage on their Samoan pineapple plantations. And Al Gore is a slum landlord who couldn't give a 5h1t about his tenants.

 

Lord, what have I done?

Now we're going to get three pages of posts about what scumbags, crooks and traitors liberals, Democrats, Socialists and foreigners are.

I'll check back in a couple of days, and see if the thread has moved on yet...

 

Don't forget about the union organizers.

 

I wouldn't call this utopia. I'd call it a farce, we are getting screwed on a monumental scale and still arguing about who started the fire. Revolution and install "all" new leadership. Get rid of the tiered reserve system, get rid of free trade, return the tariff system, its not that hard, the problems are really pretty self evident and the solutions are only not being enacted because we are not demanding that they be.

I agree with a lot of what you say but the credit doesn't go to some religious mythos nor does the blame go to the victims. We can chose to change it and we aren't

yet

by the time we do everyone is going to be so pissed off that its going to be dam ugly

I say revolution now and make it a good one, crush the corporate stranglehold on our world and create a new one, after all its a simple mater of policy change in the end. So no need for it to be all that traumatic

cheers
B

Ok I gotta go look for some nice batten material so I can start lofting something.

 

I got another little point reduction again today, here is the note that came with it.

because I can. I don't like you. Mark

Its childish people like you with your silly guns that I would never visit America.

But then your not American you are a Polish import and thankfully not many like you.

After reading pages after pages of your dislike of just about everything In America I don't know why you don't go home. Oh you wont be able to have a gun would you.

 

That post feedback comment is not appropriate, and therefore has been removed. Please give each other some space and stop provoking each other.

 

On the Ocean race yacht Flyer in the 78 Whitbread, politics and guns as a topic were banned
Sex as a topic was allowed
When one gets a group of people of different age, religion, ethnic background together, there will be friction. Don.t fret one day you learn to just say nothing
Awise ole owl sat in a tree, the more he see the less he said, the less he said the more he see
I just put in a new router, it blocks war games, **** , from my supposedly adult sons. If only had done it years ago
Perhaps a few keyword Verbotens here may help

 

Democracy and freedom of speech is more in place than in 1978.

Yes you could say nothing. Im not sure how you would do that on a discussion forum!!-- but that's your prerogative, many people have died for you to do so.

The reputation of the wise owl!!. The Newt has a similar unfounded reputation for bieng intoxicated.

Are you not referring to the Ostrich that has an interesting method of handling unwanted communication.

 

nah, hiding ones head in sand is not what I meant
One can discuss, without trying wind another up , being fully aware that that is exactly the intention
Carry on regardless my dear chap
If you cannot agree, arrange a meeting upon, say skype and get to know each other. Where you will at least experience some of the six senses.

 

I prefer your first post on the matter. It would have been much better had you omitted the last paragraph

Agree!! we don't need to agree or want to.

Its a forum!! if we agree the forum would'nt exist would it, along with the competitive human race.

I you and I agreed for instance this would be the end of the conversation which some how I doubt. You would then have nothing to do but go out in the garden count sheep or pull weeds thinking about signing up for another forum with a bit of action going on.

 

i wouldn't worry about mark frosty. we know how low he can stoop. nothing else to do sitting in his bunker cleaning his 43 guns.

 

This thread is not long for the world if we can't keep a polite and respectful conversation. So lets just agree to disagree and move forward with some constructive input from there.

The idea was to highlight the advent of a new financial paradigm which might ( given the speed of change ) bring about a fairly dramatic shift in global markets within our lifetimes. Those markets having a significant impact on both shipping and pleasure boating. I'd say it sorta spells the end of an era and the culmination of a long slow decline of both American and European dominance. Something that is entirely unknown in our lifetimes

Certainly a subject worthy of consideration specially given the volatility of the world markets during a time of significant resource depletion. I was kinda hoping we could keep a more civil tone and address some issues that will more and more impact the boating industry as a whole.

 

what are they saying in the us boston, about osama. the aussie dollar actually dropped against the usd today after the news hit the markets.