Low price Catamarans

Well a non profit Business!! who dont charge for use of business assets thats so nice off you.

 

RB Power & Sailing

Dear SCTPC ,

actually our way seems the ONLY way to make some profit , at least in our area , of course .

pls notice that our assets have been purchased with the Company profit that is always completely reinvested , so we don't need to charge for use them .

RB is a Company ltd . , sure , but the owner is only one and don't need then to share with many partners , as often happens . This is another reason why limited profit margins are acceptable here .

But never intended to mean that it is a non-profit organization : may be you can call RB a "non-wasting" organization .

Who writes to you believes in long term businness operations , where the Company added value is a part of the profit . The way RB is operating , creating a very large turnover , is adding a lot of value to the Company , as well as the real estate that we purchase regularly .

So , this is what i mean , when i say 'another way to make boating businness ' .


Regards


RB Power & Sailing

 

lean mean boatbuilding machine

I believe ***** when he says he is doing everything possible to build a "non-wasting" organization. Minimize waste and make a profit. He has no choice if he wants to have a reasonably profitable boatbuilding business 10 years from now. Why? The chinese of course. That huge nation just north of Thailand. Manufacturers of last resort.

I've seen an example in my home port of the Buehler-designed steel motorsailor imported to the US from China called diesel ducks. There is an in-water boatshow in Seattle going on right now and the boat I saw might be in the show. At $8.50/pound baseboat cost... very, very competitive. Fitted out with lots of goodies at under $10/pound delivered to the US. See prices for yourself by searching on "diesel duck" at yachtworld.com. I am sure the chinese ship builder(s) can build anything including epoxy/glass catamarrans.

Of course these prices won't last. Wage inflation in Thailand and China will take care of that. My point is that when (not if) the Chinese start to build what ***** is building, in head-to-head competition, he'd better be a lean, mean boat-building machine just to survive. I can only hope he finishes my boat before he goes out of business.

cheers
rself

 

low priced cats

Hello All,


#1 photo shows a new wood RB mast that fills with rain water....blisters formed on the mast then out leaked the water.

#2 photo shows inside boat aft of mast, rain water has enter through mast wireing conduit and rotted wood and caused blisters.

#3 and 4 photos shows water tanks plumbed with elec. conduit from RB. also shows pump installed by RB in cockpit floor area with no drainage for rainwater.

zoom in to see the pictures, great stuff !!

No warranty honored !!

 

RB Power & Sailing

Hello Robert ,


I agree , but not completely , with your interpretation of the 'phenomena' China , for what relates the boat building business .

i noticed a large number of inquires from Chinese potential clients during the last year . I believe that there is a very good potential new market for our boats , and it is precisely China .

Chinese persons like imported goods and chinese products , including boats , got a bad reputation in China as well as in many other countries .

S o , it doesnt seem to me that there is any reason to worry , and i consider appropriate to look forward the opening of an interesting new market .


Best Regards


RB

 

RB Power & Sailing

Dear Mr. Kenneth Stone/Also Concerned/Siam sailor/Been Robbed ,

(many names for the same person ) ..


Pls notice that after a client broke by accident the windshield of your boat , Island Breeze 42 cat , during a charter trip , YOUR crew of captain and boat boy changed it . The 2 guys probably not experienced , didn't seal the plexiglass properly and then after YOU left the boat abandoned during 6 or 7 months , some leak damaged the timber around the mast step , coming into the boat from the unsealed windshield .

unfortunately we cannot provide a work under warranty in this circumstancies , as we didn't replace the first windshield directly , and furthermore considering the 5,000 US$ that you still owe to the yard , as spare parts and accessories supplied , and never paid .

Not even a simple inspection from the yard has never ever been required , with the boat still floating .

The photos of the plumbing , certainly not standard as came from the factory , is only showing the messy work of the crew or at least 2 other teams that you hired sometime during the 26 months from our delivery ...


Dear Sir ,

would you pls mention and confirm the emails and calls , where you were requesting 2 millions of Thai Baht in order to stop your internet campaign ?

Dear Sir ,

would you pls mention your 2 web sites , opened with the only target of defamation with the target of extorting money from RB Power & Sailing ?

2 web sites closed up after a report to the Thai Internet Police , pls take carefully note .

Web sites registered on your personal name .. as been reported .

Dear Sir ,

would you pls inform us about the name of your Thai lawyer or representative person in Thailand , as RB Power & Sailing is willing to proceed legally .

We will give you then the chance , at our cost , to explain your reasons , in a appropriate site .

The Net is a unique and beautiful tool : some miserable persons are using the net and his anonymous features , to spread around calumnies and defamations , trying to extort money .

We should stop them , or this wonderful tool , property of all the human being , all of us , will be corrupted and will become unuseful .

What is happening now to RB is exactly similar to what is happening to many other internet businnesses : we received many emails confirming this fact .

Thanks for the attention


RB Power & Sailing

www.*******************
info@*******************

 

The 6 Million Dollar Man

RB'S STATEMENT 12-9-2008
QUOTE FROM THE GUY CALLING PEOPLE LIARS (not LIERS)
@ Our contracts volume for the existing financial year is much over 3 millions US$ and will be over 6 for the next year ( October 2008-2009)
ve been told to shut up!!! I HAD TO POST WHEN I SAW THIS.

producing "boats" is one thing..........
where are all the satisfied customers??????
and sure we all believe your writings. R.SELF PLUS SEVERAL OTHERS, YOUR BOAT ISN'T FINISHED YET. TUCKED AWAY IN A DRY WAREHOUSE - WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN IT MEETS THE REAL WORLD.....WAVES, RAIN, SEA WATER............I HOPE YOUR BILGE PUMPS ARE OF THE CORRECT SIZE.

I AM NOT A LIAR. MY MONSTROSITY WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT BY RB.
I'M NOT THE 6 MILLION DOLLAR MAN!!!!!

STEVE W STARTED WITH:-
anyone know about RB SAILING.
DEAR SIR STEVE W
YES I DO AND MY ADVICE IS TO STAY WELL CLEAR.
islandlodger@yahoo.com for loads of details, photos and come and look for yourself.

I've been advised to shut up and so that's what i'll do.

cheers
graham


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With all due respect , don`t you think this has gone far enough ?

A forum like this is not really the place to settle scores or personal grievances.....

 

Enough is Enough

I agree with boat fan,

This forum should not condone or allow public smear campaigns like this,

 

How is it a smear campaign if the allegations are true? I'm not saying they are, but unhappy customer's should be able to offer advice or warnings to others.

If nothing else, this thread has made potential customers of *any* boat builder more aware of how involved they should be, what a contract should include, and how to protect themselves.

If you don't like the tone of a thread, don't read it.

 

Yes those are all important and not to be taken lightly , RHough.

I just think it`s now gone WAY beyond that

 

True, and sooner or later the thread will die ... until someone else asks.

Then we'll get to hear it all again!

It's at least as entertaining as the threads where the crackpots are trying to sell their latest and greatest nightmare/dream to anyone who will listen.

At least something of value has come out of this one.

You are right, it now has the fascination of a train wreck. Don't want to watch, but it is hard to look away.

 

Perhaps it would be a good idea if all boat builders supplied a listing
of past customers , with contact details.

The customers could of course elect to be omitted for privacy reasons and such.

Maybe it would provide a more impartial insight to the whole prospect of getting the boat built.

I am always a little dubious of " testimonials " supplied at the builders discretion.

It could be as simple as a register of customers with point scores given by the client ,in different categories
for example :

1 : After sales service 3 pts ( max 5 )
2 : Build quality / finish 4 pts ( max 5 )

Etc.......They rate car manufacturers that way too...

 

That's right.

Yet along with this right comes the RESPONSIBILITY to prove the validity of such complaints when asked to do so -- and so far none of the whiners have proven a thing -- except that they are childish, ignorant, irresponsible, and willing to continue whining without any evidence whatsoever to back up their complaints.

In my opinion it is stupid or ignorant or irresponsible or lazy or apathetic behavior to enter into a boat building contract (or any other type of construction contract) without specifying the details and requirements you expect the builder to provide -- in the contract itself -- yet this seems to be exactly what these whiners have done. And now that they have 'screwed up big-time' they refuse to GROW UP, behave like mature adults, and accept responsibility for their foolish mistakes. Instead they continue to behave like immature little kids who have never learned that whining and complaining is socially unacceptable and will never fix their problems.

Unfortunately these losers will never learn a thing if their unjustified complaints are entertained by the rest of us. If we act like we approve of their whining, or if we foolishly believe their complaints without seeing any evidence that backs up their claims, we would be making the mistake of "pacifying them" like adults sometimes do with little kids. But pacifying them won't teach them where they went wrong, nor will it help them to learn how to stand on their own two feet and accept responsibility like mature adults.

It is certainly not hard for anyone with a functional brain to understand the reason why we have repeatedly asked these whiners to post their contracts. After all, the justification for their complaints can be easily found in the construction contract if in fact it exists. But when we ask them to "be mature about it" and post their contracts -- so we can see the paragraphs and clauses where the builder has promised to do something he has not, we get NOTHING -- which strongly suggests that their complaints are unjustified and they are here only for the purpose of carrying on a smear campaign.

In a court of law the judge would throw these whiners out because they are so irresponsible that they don't even bother to present the necessary evidence to prove their cases. Instead all they do is whine, and that's not good enough in the real world -- although whining appears to be all they are capable of.

The simple lesson these losers have yet to learn is how to behave as mature and responsible adults who live in the REAL WORLD, and not like children in some kind of fantasy existence where everything is supposed to go their way even when they screw up. In the real world you must be ready, willing and able to prove your case when asked to do so -- not only in a court of law but in this online 'people's court' if this happens to be the venue where you choose to argue your case.

Yet they cannot seem to perform such a simple task.

Too bad they don't even know how to make a believable case in this online forum ... but at least their failures here might give them a hint at their low potential for success should they want to throw good money after bad by hiring attorneys and taking their cases to a real court.

After seeing for the past month or so that they are completely unwilling to present any evidence to support their claims, I have come to the conclusion that their goal here is to plead rather than prove, and to try to align themselves with other "poor boat buyers" against the far more wealthy and successful "big bad boat builders".

In other words, I think they want people here to support them not because they are right, but because they have more in common with most people here than they do with a rich foreign boat builder ... and perhaps they think that their emotional pleas will give them what they demand -- even when what they demand is just plain wrong.

 

Glad you got that off your chest Ken .

Unfortunately , what you say is true.

On the issue of responsibility , its a two way street.
A boat builder has responsibility too.

If Mr. and Mrs " Layman " enters your shop , and it becomes quickly apparent that their "boating dreams" are not that practical or realistic , ( or even workable, ) then the boat builder also has the responsibility to advise Mr Layman of his errors. After all he is , or should be the expert.That is why Mr Layman is in his shop.

I was in home constuction for many years.The biggest lesson I learnt was to LISTEN TO THE CUSTOMER. It often saved them lots of money , and heartache , and more importantly , they got what they wanted , rather than what they THOUGHT they wanted.

Ethical business operators base their business on those basic but sound principles.They also EDUCATE their layman customers , if need be.

If all your good advice and intensions still fall on deaf ears , politely direct them to the competition