Looking for retro styled design - 28' - 30'

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  1. Multihullscz
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    Multihullscz Junior Member

    I like the look of Turkish Gulets or classic schooners. But I also want to gain from modern materials and technologies.
    If there was no demand for retro styled design, I will choose something between Pantanal 25 and Multichine 28 (Roberto Barross design). Lightweight, lifting keel, dimensions.
    I doubt there is some design that will fit exactly to my requirements. So boats for inspiration is enough. Im able to redesign it.

    My dream boat will have:
    LWL about 9m
    Max. beam 3m
    Max. empty weight 2,8t
    Accomodation for 4-5
    Front saloon window
    lifting keel
    Speed at least 7 - 8 kn

    Thanks for inspiration ;)
     
  2. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    Neither the Pantanal 25 nor the Multichine 28 are remotely similar to the looks of a Turkish gulet or classic schooner.

    There are plenty of modern designs in this size range that have the performance you're looking for and they'll probably look much like the Multichine 28 or Pantanal 25.

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    This is one of mine and probably a little too small for you, I have others. It has the classic look, yet modern appendages. Personally, I would want to put this rig on a modern canoe body, but it's certainly possible, so you'd have the performance, yet the looks too.
     
  3. philSweet
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    If you want something that resembles those old boats, you need to nearly quadruple your weight estimate. Typical older boats had a submerged volume about equal to the topside volume between perps. D/L ratios of 425 and up for this LWL. Those were the best designs of their day - light, lean, and versatile. More cruiser-oriented boats were quite a bit heavier. You simply can't carry a traditional rig without the weight. If you want modern operations and plan to use the diesel at sailing speeds below 3.5 knots, then just forget about traditional-looking rigs. They were designed to sail well at low speeds in the days before cheap, reliable diesels. Even with a tiny diesel, you can cut wetted surface area, sail area, and displacement by a huge percentage and maintain minimum handling abilities.

    How does this one suit your liking? http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_wood/prospector.htm
     
  4. Multihullscz
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    Multihullscz Junior Member

    I`m looking for modern retrostyled design.
    Lightweight, fast, lifting keel.

    I know tehese boats in 50' and bigger range, but none in 28' - 30' range.

    I know my demands are conflicting ;)

    I also like some Tad Roberds design - BEAR BAY 23 or FUTURE CRUISER 28
    but there are only few information about the design (working hours, material list etc.) and I prefer lightweight and faster boats.

    FUTURE CRUISER 28 with classic rig, lifting keel and fast hull bottom, is much close to my idea
     
  5. Stumble
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    Take a look at Bob Perry's 40' carbon cutter. A solid carbon fiber full keel boat. It looks classic, but has a pretty modern hull design.
     
  6. philSweet
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    Is 4'6" headroom good enough in the cabin centerline? That's pretty normal for sitting headroom and its all you can get with a light 30'er with a somewhat classic topsides. The issue is that in a classic sailboat with a 29' waterline, you'd expect the floor in the cabin to be almost 3' below the waterline. That takes considerable displacement to pull off. If the floor is only 1' below the waterline, you are stuck with sitting headroom only.
     
  7. Multihullscz
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    Multihullscz Junior Member

    Standing headroom is needed and I prefer large interiour space.

    From this point of wiev, the boat will look like "fast Turkish Gullet"... :confused:
     

  8. PAR
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    So, you're going to make a modern canoe body into a motorsailer. Typically these boats are quite burdened and a bit of a throwback with external chainplates, huge deck houses, built down hull sections, etc. You'll need quite a bit of hull in the water, to pull this off with some reasonable aesthetic on a 9M LWL boat.
     
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