larger Row/sail boat?

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  1. wayne nicol
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    would appreciate some ideas or input for an idea thats in its very early stages right now-
    what designs are out there- to build- for a 20 to 30' sail boat, but still set up to row- when needed- no motor!
    good sea keeper!
    small low profile cuddy possibly, or the option to build some rudimentary accommodations.
    2 row stations, in a larger open cockpit. single or twin master

    would like to build glass over foam core- but i suppose there is some degree of interchangeability in build processes!

    you fellas always have so much knowledgeable insight- lets see what you come up with :)
     
  2. wayne nicol
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    i kinda like the look of this- with a small house on it

    http://www.selway-fisher.com/NCoble27d1.gif
    quote
    "Most East Coast Cobles were of clinker (lapstrake) construction but a few were carvel and the 27’ Northumbrian Coble emulates one of these by using modern strip planked construction. I have not attempted to ‘modernize’ the concept too much and so have gone for the traditional deep forefoot, well angled rudder and twin ‘drafts’ (skegs) to help keep her to windward under sail and ‘grip’ the water. She is essentially a large open working boat with moveable seating set up mainly for rowing but with and an optional outboard well and a traditional standing lug rig.

    Although not shown at present, we can produce the moulds and jig details for a clinker version, if that is preferred.

    27' Northumbrian Coble Particulars

    LOA 27' 8.23m
    Beam 7'2" 2.18m
    Hull Mid Depth 2'10" 0.86m
    Draft
    Draft incl rudder 1' 6 1/2"
    4'1" 0.47m
    1.24m
    Approx. Dry Weight 1720 lbs 780 kg
    Hull Shape

    Round bilge with tumblehome aft
    Construction Methods Strip plank
    Major strip wood requirements for hull 3115' of 3/4" x 1 1/4" (950m of 18x30mm) Western Red Cedar
    Guidance Use 6-8 adults
    Drawing/Design Package 7 x A1 drawings + 5 x A4 instruction sheets
    Additions and alterations included with the plans"

    what do you guys think of the design?
    sea keeping abilities etc
     
  3. NoEyeDeer
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    Here ya go.

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    Good load carrying capacity too. :D

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  4. wayne nicol
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    holy smokes mate...:) :)
     
  5. wayne nicol
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    NEW HIGHLANDER 23
    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Highlander23d1.gif
    Below is a nice example by Jonathan Jones.
    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Highlander23p1.jpg
    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Highlander23p2.jpg
    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Highlander23p3.jpg
    At last, a bigger Highlander dayboat - so really a pocket cruiser or small yacht. She has been drawn up for clinker ply construction over a framework of ply girders and bulkheads but the hull planks shapes are also given for her to be built using the stitch and tape method. She is set up with an outboard well and a large cockpit which could take a boom tent—the cabin is big enough for 2 berths and a small galley and Porta Potti WC. Maximum headroom as drawn is 4'5" but she has a size of hull that could take a modified cabin arrangement.

    Her centreplate makes her ideal for trailing and gunkholing. The centreplate pivot is on the outside of the hull and the lift is via a tube into the cockpit so that there are no leak problems.

    LOA 23’ (7.00m); Beam 8’3” (2.52m); Draft 1’9”/4’10” (0.53/1.49m); Displ. To WL 3749lbs (1700kg); Approx. Weight 2205lbs (1000kg); Ballast 551lbs (250kg); Sail Area 238 sq.ft. (22.15sq.m)



    Highlander 23 Particulars

    LOD 23' 7m
    Beam 8'3" 2.52m
    Hull Mid Depth 3'2" 0.96m
    Draft 1'9"/4'10" 0.53/1.49m
    Sail Area 238 sq.ft 22.15 sq.m
    Approx. Dry Weight 2205 lbs 1000 kg
    Ballast 551 lbs 250 kg
    Maximum Headroom 4'6" 1.36m
    Number of berths 2
    Hull Shape

    Round bilge
    Construction Methods Clinker ply and stitch and tape
    Major plywood requirements for hull 1 x 3mm sheet
    6 x 4mm sheets
    15 x 6mm sheets
    17 x 9mm sheets
    1 x 18mm sheet
    Guidance Use Estuary, coastal, cross channel
    Drawing/Design Package 11 x A1 drawings + 10 x A4 instruction sheets
    Additions and alterations included with the plans
     
  6. NoEyeDeer
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    Meets your SOR.

    Norwegians build these things anywhere from 15 feet to 50. They don't have motors. They do have sails and oars.

    They take them out surfing for fun in full-on Arctic gales. Yes, really. They think such behaviour is perfectly normal.

    Traditional aft cabin.

    As many rowing stations as you like, depending on length of boat. :)
     
  7. lewisboats
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    Good looking too...

    A small(er) one:

    [​IMG]

    And a pair around the size you want:

    [​IMG]

    They even have after cabins ;)
     
  8. wayne nicol
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    you know... there is something about those boats... pretty cool!!!
    so now the very low freeboard midships, is that to make the rowing easier- other than that, what is the purpose, and how does that effect the boats sea keeping?
    decks always awash in rough weather?
     
  9. wayne nicol
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  10. NoEyeDeer
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    Yes, the low freeboard is for rowing. They have washboards that can be set above the sheer when sailing in rough water, to effectively raise the sheer height on the lee side. They have vertical supports behind the washboards, that socket into the standard framing of the boat. You can see these in some pictures of these boats. Check this page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oasoergaard/3707760020/in/photostream/

    The sea keeping is fine if they are handled properly. They are built from the same tradition as the ships that sailed across the Atlantic a thousand years ago. Where these boats sail, you cannot afford to screw around with bad seakeeping. It will kill you.

    The boats do not have watertight decks, so rely on keeping the stuff on the outside. Ergo washboards.

    If you want to know more about them, the general type is known as "Nordlandsbåt", which if course simply means "North Lands boat". The famous small ones, with two rowing stations, are called "færing". The really big ones are "fembøring".

    If you do some searching you'll be able to find quite a bit of information on them, although Google Translate or similar services can be useful since a lot of the good info is in Norwegian.

    Example: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordlandsbåt :D

    ETA: Some fun videos here if you're in the mood - http://vimeo.com/102614412 and http://vimeo.com/110722831
     
  11. RHP
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    Why not buy an existing 24' ocean rowing boat and install a rig and centreboard? Plenty of cheap, proven donors around these days.
     

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  12. NoEyeDeer
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    That's not a bad idea either.
     
  13. lewisboats
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    I have no idea. I was browsing a few years ago... for Wallpaper pictures I think and found them. I expect NoEyeDeer could tell you more that I could about them.
     
  14. sharpii2
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    Why not a Bolger Birdwatcher?

    It's right in your size range.
     

  15. NoEyeDeer
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    What about the "good seakeeper" part of the SOR? That doesn't really describe a Birdwatcher, IMO.
     
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