Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    and climate warming is a natural cycle, not man-made climate warming.
    not created by man, and can't be stopped by man, short of nuclear winter
     
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    We are also incapable of destroying the ozone layer.
     
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    Countries must ramp up climate pledges by 80 percent to hit key Paris target, study finds
    • The world must nearly double its greenhouse gas-cutting goals to avoid the most catastrophic effects of climate change
    • Global emissions would need to fall at 1.8 percent each year to put the world on a more sustainable trajectory
    • Emissions have risen about 1.4 percent annually on average over the past decade, excluding 2020
    • Current pledges will result in Earth's temperature increasing by 2.6 Celsius (4.7 Fahrenheit)
    • Current emissions will result in a temperature increase of 2.9 Celsius (5.2 Fahrenheit).
    • The United States would need to increase its existing goal by 38 percent
    • The United Kingdom would need an increase of about 17 percent
    The study was published in Communications Earth & Environment
     
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    Whatever it takes to break us, right?
     
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    The Same Deadly Vitamin Deficiency Is Ravaging All Kinds of Animals
    • Thiamine (Vitamin B1), a nutrient no organism can live without, is mysteriously lacking in some marine ecosystems
    • It is a disorder that seems to be on the rise in marine ecosystems across much of the planet
    • It’s causing illness and death in birds, fish, invertebrates, and possibly mammals
    • It is speculated that some unexplained process is depleting ecosystems of this critical nutrient.
    • Sublethal effects may be worse than lethal ones because they can harm creatures over long periods of time without scientists realizing it
    • The condition apparently causes two dozen bird species in the Baltic Sea to lay fewer eggs and fewer hatched chicks to survive
    • Tests on liver, brain, and blood samples from moose in southern Sweden point toward “severe” thiamine deficiency
    • The symptoms in thiamine-deficient animals are so severe that if natural phenomena were the cause, affected animal populations would have vanished or adapted long ago
     
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    You think it could be from the toxic metals spilt from making solar cells, windfarms or batteries for electric cars?
     
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    This statement assumes the natural world is in a steady state. The natural records show quite the opposite. Even single global catastrophic events have happened without human involvement.

    The important point to this very concerning condition is that it is happening and we have no idea why.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     
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    Beri-beri in humans is devastating.
     
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    No, this statement implies the exact opposite. If the world were in a steady state "affected animal populations would have vanished or adapted long ago." The fact that the animals haven't died or adapted suggests that the environment is not in a steady state, and that the cause most likely is recent. Apparently the researchers haven't come up with a natural reason for both marine and land animals to be affected. So they have concluded that somehow the changes that humans have imposed onto Earth are the most likely cause.
     
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    Assume rewritten as concluded somehow.. How droll!
     
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    Sorry, I was implying the steady state without human interference. The way the above post reads, it seems to be saying that any change in the Earth's environment that is recent enough that we can witness it happening has got to be due to human activity. Otherwise, it would be a change that has happened over a long enough period that animals would have either died out or adapted.

    While I am not saying what is causing the vitamin deficiency isn't man made, the way that post reads, scientists are making unfounded assumptions based solely on the fact that it is a recent observation.

    If you still think I'm reading that badly, I'll take another look at it.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     
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    I didn't think through what you are saying as clearly as I might have.

    I don't think the researchers are saying that they have absolutely ruled out natural causes. Rather, I think they are saying that they haven't been able to come up with any plausible exclusively natural causes, and that they are hypothesizing (as opposed to making unfounded assumptions) that human actions are likely involved, possibly including warming sea water for instance.

    The last portion of the article discusses the hypothesizes of a number of researchers.
     
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    We have lots of B1. Enough to go around. Plus ordnance. ;)
     

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    the article said "concluded, that somehow" not a hypotheses. I know very well how to make snap judgements and split second decisions and be right everytime, because to be wrong once is to be dead forever. Plane pilots, race car drivers, ship masters, numerous trades rely on this ability. The secret to success, is the decisions were pre-made in the past. When this happens, immediately do this, but never that!. Like a musician with a repertoire of songs. Learning the right responses is training.. Not reviewing the propaganda till it's rote memorized.
    AGWers made a decision in the past, everything they don't understand or don't like is man's fault. That is a false premise based on politics rather than past experience. It misuses the faculty of quick reactions that result from valuable insight gained through vast experience of trial and fatal error in those other professions..
     
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