Is the ocean broken?

It isn't the government per se but the oligarchs in the government; the ones who are there for self aggrandizement, the corrupt who go there amd leave with their pockets stuffed with pirate booty. They are the same ones who would surrender our freedom on the very oceans for which this thread originated.

 

Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

• Sales increase 43% globally in 2020 as plunging battery costs mean the cars will be the cheapest vehicles to buy some time between 2023 and 2025
  
• Batteries are now being produced capable of receiving a 200-mile charge in five minutes

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G.M. Will Sell Only Zero-Emission Vehicles by 2035

• The company plans to introduce 30 electric vehicles over the next five years
• G.M. said it would increase the use of renewable energy, and would eliminate or offset emissions from its factories, buildings and vehicles
  
• G.M. stock closed up 3.5 percent after its announcement

 

Climate change has caused billions of dollars in flood damages

• The global insurance company Munich Re calls flooding "the number-one natural peril in the U.S."
• An open question has been whether or not the cost of flooding in the U.S. has been driven primarily by socioeconomic factors like population growth, housing development and increasing property values?
• The study concluded that $75 billion, or 36 percent of the costs of flooding in the U.S. from 1988 to 2017, were a result of intensifying precipitation
• Exceeding the levels of global warming agreed upon in the Paris Agreement will lead to greater intensification of extreme precipitation events

The research was published in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

 

Weather has caused trillions of dollars of flood damage. Not all at once, except once(maybe that once would qualify as global weather), thank God.

 

Role of dams in reducing global flood exposure under climate change

• Flood risk is projected to increase in the future, driven by climate change and population growth
  
• Half of major river systems worldwide are regulated by dams and more than 3,700 major dams are planned or under construction
• With current dams people exposed to the historical once-in-100-year floods below dams were 7.2 and 13.4 million on average over 2006-2099 (using low and a medium-high greenhouse gas emission trajectory)
  
• By the end of the 21st century populations exposed to flooding below dams are calculated to decrease by 20.6% and 12.9%, respectively

The study was published in Nature Communications

 

Will, you will notice in my last post that two scenarios are explored, a low-emission and a moderately high-emission. I think that if the US keeps electing Democrat presidents and Congresspersons that the low-emission scenarios are more likely. But if we go back to electing Republican presidents and Congresspersons higher-emission scenarios are more likely.

 

It is to bad that the response to media reports of climate change are as political as the reports are dependent upon which media is reporting it. It is, of course, completely understandable, just as it is unavoidable. It's just sad that the party line leads so many of us "sheeple" as it has been put.

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

You want to bring up politics you are on the wrong forum. Neither party brings me joy so you should can it.
Floods are caused by weather events and earthquakes under dams but not by climate.

 

Changing resilience of oceans to climate change

• Estimates of ocean oxygen during a period of global warming 56 million years ago , the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), found "limited expansion" of seafloor anoxia (absence of oxygen)
  
• However, conditions are different today to the PETM -- today's rate of carbon emissions is much faster, and we are adding nutrient pollution to the oceans
  
• Also, the Paleocene had higher atmospheric oxygen than today, which would have made anoxia less likely
  
• Professor Lenton added: "Although the oceans were more resilient than we thought at this time in the past, nothing should distract us from the urgent need to reduce emissions and tackle the climate crisis today."
• (Note what the researcher said, not just what a journalist hyped to sell a story)

The research was published in Nature Communications

 

You and some others don't realize you're beating a dead horse.

 

I agree with the sentiment, completely. I'm unconvinced by the science of the claims of concensus.

Here is an interesting article that seems to support some thoughts of my own about the natural subterranean heating cycles that affect surface temperatures.
Upsurge of Matter From Deep Beneath the Earth’s Crust Is Pushing North and South America Further Apart From Europe and Africa https://scitechdaily.com/upsurge-of-matter-from-deep-beneath-the-earths-crust-is-pushing-north-and-south-america-further-apart-from-europe-and-africa/
"plate tectonics also has an impact on sea levels, and therefore affects climate change estimates over geologic times scales."

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

There is absolutely nothing new about the continents being pushed apart. West Africa and eastern South America were once connected. Study Gondwanaland and Pangaea.

 

True! And yet, who is talking about geothermo-warming today? Iceland's Skaftafellsjokull glacier is receding.
Now and then: Iceland's vanishing glaciers https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-55346329
It's Iceland, can one really point to Iceland as an indication of Global Warming? It's surprising that they have a glacier at all. They just had a major volcano eruption a few years ago.

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

And that's how Iceland is made and the Antilles and a whole lot more.

 

You (and some others) seem very attracted to the spectacle of dead horses being beat. <laugh>