Is the ocean broken?

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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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    I have little idea of what you do know, but it is abundantly clear that you know next to nothing about oceanography or global climate.
     
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    Just because I don't parrot AGW talking points, then I'm ignorant in your not humble opinion? Au contraire. I just know differently. Better than the AGW disciples who drink the toxic koolaid and spit it back up.
     
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    Now you're thinking like me. :)

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    core https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/core/
    "When Earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago, it was a uniform ball of hot rock. Radioactive decay and leftover heat from planetary formation (the collision, accretion, and compression of space rocks) caused the ball to get even hotter. Eventually, after about 500 million years, our young planet’s temperature heated to the melting point of iron—about 1,538° Celsius (2,800° Fahrenheit). This pivotal moment in Earth’s history is called the iron catastrophe.

    The iron catastrophe allowed greater, more rapid movement of Earth’s molten, rocky material. Relatively buoyant material, such as silicates, water, and even air, stayed close to the planet’s exterior. These materials became the early mantle and crust. Droplets of iron, nickel, and other heavy metals gravitated to the center of Earth, becoming the early core. This important process is called planetary differentiation.

    Earth’s core is the furnace of the geothermal gradient. The geothermal gradient measures the increase of heat and pressure in Earth’s interior. The geothermal gradient is about 25° Celsius per kilometer of depth (1° Fahrenheit per 70 feet). The primary contributors to heat in the core are the decay of radioactive elements, leftover heat from planetary formation, and heat released as the liquid outer core solidifies near its boundary with the inner core."

    We are taught that heat rises. That, of course, is only a statement about the behavior of fluids that expand, becoming less dense, as they heats up. Also, it leaves out the fact that without gravity, even that wouldn't happen.

    The Earth's crust moves upon the molten mantle and that is because of Earth is rotating and orbiting inside gradients of gravity as well as having its own gravity. Gravity causes pressure, pressure generated heat, heat, in a fluid, causes expansion, expansion causes material to become less dense which in turn causes that material to rise because gravity is forcing the more dense material to move down and displace the lighter material upward. It is part of the dynamic of weather. Air is warmer lower down, in part, because it is compressed as it falls, which causes it to heat up. A cycle is created that perpetuates the exchange of materials which leads to the generation of and the transfer of heat. Gravity is required.
    That's what I mean.

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    Water is an exception. It expands as it cools. Without that property, life could not exist in water.
     
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    If water sank as it froze, the denizons would be forced to the surface to perish.
     
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    Sort of an odd phrasing. Static pressure by itself doesn't generate heat. Movement is required. The kinetic energy of a moving asteroid, for instance, if it comes to a halt (say, by hitting the Earth) will convert to heat -- which is how the Earth obtained a lot of its heat. But only though atomic decay is any more heat within the Earth being generated -- unless we again get walloped by a big asteroid.
     
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    You make excellent points, in both above posts, IN.

    However, radio active decay isn't the only contributer now. The mantle has a tide as well as expansion and compression of hot and cold spots. In other words, it has weather which generates heat.

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    Did you figure out yet how the Moon and Sun make the rock hot?
     
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    The tides, ocean or mantle, are cause by the moon's orbiting around the Earth. And the energy for the tides comes from the decay of the moon's orbit. Another part of the energy comes from the speed of the Earth's rotation slowing.

    Tidal acceleration -
    Angular momentum and energy

     
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    Normally orbital decay is perceived as descent not ascent. The Moon actually distances itself 4 cm from the Earth yearly.
     
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    New Study Shows a Vicious Circle of Climate Change Building on Thickening Layers of Warm Ocean Water

    Near the surface of the ocean, global warming is creating increasingly distinct layers of warm water that stifle seawater circulations critical for regulating climate and sustaining marine life. The sheets of warm water block flows of heat, carbon, oxygen and nutrients within the water column, and between the oceans and atmosphere.

    The research suggests that this ocean stratification is happening faster than scientists expected, and is in-line with some of the worst-case global warming scenarios outlined in major international climate reports. If the ocean surface warms faster and less carbon is carried to the depths, those processes, along with other climate feedbacks, could lead atmospheric CO2 to triple and the global average temperature could increase 8 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100.

    The study was published in the journal Nature Climate Change.
     

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