Is the ocean broken?

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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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    Study Projects a Surge in Coastal Flooding, Starting in 2030s
    • NOAA has reported a total of more than 600 high-tide floods – also called nuisance floods or sunny day floods – on the U.S. Atlantic and Gulf coasts in 2019
    • Starting in the mid-2030s the alignment of rising sea levels with a lunar cycle will cause coastal cities all around the U.S. to begin a decade of dramatic increases in flood frequency
    • The main reason is a regular wobble in the Moon’s orbit that takes 18.6 years to complete
    • The floods will sometimes occur in clusters lasting a month or longer, depending on the positions of the Moon, Earth, and the Sun.
    • High-tide floods involve a small amount of water compared to hurricane storm surges, but if it floods 10 or 15 times a month it can be problematic
    The study was published in Nature Climate Change
     
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    More evidence of subterranean heating.
    NASA Space Lasers Discover New Lakes Under Antarctic Ice https://www.google.com/amp/s/scitechdaily.com/nasa-space-lasers-discover-new-lakes-under-antarctic-ice/amp/

    How much evidence do people need to see the Earth is going through a heat cycle from within.

    The article suggests that the sub-glacial lakes in Greenland are actually different in that they fill from above, but why would you cling to that idea in the face of this new evidence? Of course it's different at the North end of the globe, there's actually floating ice up there. The water is warmer, but that doesn't mean there isn't heat coming from the bedrock. Sheesh! o_O

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    Could you explain what you mean by "heat cycle from within," specifically "cycle?"

    There is no question that the Earth is heated from within. In deep mines the further down you go the hotter it gets. It gets so hot that cooling air has to be supplied to the miners so that they can do their work.

    Mponeng Gold Mine
    The Mponeng (‘look at me’ in Sotho) Gold Mine, which has been in commission since 1986, is located southwest of Johannesburg, South Africa. Mponeng currently holds records as the world’s deepest gold mine and the world’s deepest mine, with depths reaching over 4.0 km below the surface. Because temperatures can reach up to 150°F in the mine at such depths, an ice slurry must be pumped into Mponeng to maintain temperatures that can be withstood by humans.​
    First of all, what is "new" in this research is the specific boundaries of the sub-surface Antarctic lakes, and that these lakes regularly fill and drain. The existence of the lakes themselves has been known for a long time.

    Second, the ICESat and ICESat-2 satellites do not hover over Antarctica. They are in circumpolar orbit, which means they cross over Greenland, as well as the rest of the globe. So they are capable of detecting the same phenomena under the Greenland icecap as they are under the Antarctic ice cap. Except they, apparently, are not noting the same phenomena.

    Third, Antarctica is much colder (at the ice surface) than Greenland. During the summer much of Greenland gets warm enough, for at least a few day, to melt and form standing water. Lakes form on the surface of the ice, then drain through holes to flow through to bedrock. This is not the case for Antarctica. There are no surface lakes from melt water in the interior of Antarctica. It's too cold.

    In this statement it is critical to note that the thick ice is insulating the ground from the cold that is at the surface of the icesheet.

    Antarctic Temperature
    The mean annual temperature of the interior is −57 °C (−70.6 °F). The coast is warmer; on the coast Antarctic average temperatures are around −10 °C (14.0 °F) (in the warmest parts of Antarctica) and in the elevated inland they average about −55 °C (−67.0 °F) in Vostok.​

    For the same reason given in the mine example above, the temperature at the base of the ice sheets is much warmer than at the surface of the ice sheets, apparently warm enough for liquid water to exist. There is no need to appeal to some unknown geothermal "cycle" to explain what is going on under the ice cap.
     
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

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    Jupiter is a never ignited star according to some opinions arguing our solar system is a binary star system. Almost. Glad it's there. Along with our huge moon, one quarter in diameter the size of earth, the pair sweep the heavens clean of many high speed junk rocks that could and would hit earth. A pair of guardian angels I think! The craters on the moon could be earth's topography without the moon. I thank God for them. Excellent design to permit life to exist here.
     
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    This is what happens when your Guardian Angels take the day off. :(

    Chicxulub crater

    It was formed when a large asteroid about 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) in diameter, struck the Earth.[5] The date of the impact coincides precisely with the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary (commonly known as the "K–Pg boundary"), slightly more than 66 million years ago,[2] and a widely accepted theory is that worldwide climate disruption from the event was the cause of the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, a mass extinction in which 75% of plant and animal species on Earth became extinct, including all non-avian dinosaurs.​
     
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    It was intentional, Providential, so we could have petroleum in our era, without which we would still be driving horse and buggy and our streets would be a mire of horse apples and horse piss like it was in Victorian times.
     
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    The Chicxulub impact had nothing to do with oil formation.

    How Is Oil Formed
    Roughly 10 percent of the oil that’s harvested today was formed during the Paleozoic age, which fell between 541 and 252 million years ago. Most of it formed during the Mesozoic era, which happened between 252 and 66 million years ago. The final 20 percent formed during the Cenozoic age, roughly 65 million years ago.
     
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    How do you know? These periods and dates are arbitrary designations by evolutionists. You can choose to believe them, but neither you nor they can prove their theories. Don't say carbon dating. Carbon dating is predicated on the unwarranted assumption the amount of carbon 14 in the atmosphere has always remained a constant. Pure speculation.
     
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    Actually, the Earth's topography DOES look like the Moon's topography, except that all but the largest craters have been obscured by the oceans, or eroded by geological forces. Really bad design.

    List of impact craters on Earth

    11 of Earth's Largest Impact Craters

    The Craters on Earth: New Atlas Presents and Explains the Impact Sites of Meteorites and Asteroids Worldwide

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    Manicouagan crater

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    Serra da Cangalha, Brazil, impact structure
     
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    I didn't say we didn't have impact craters. Imaginev how many more and how frequently if it weren't for Jupiter and the moon, and other bodies intercepting them. Elegant design, just the right number at the right times. We are here, aren't we? Apparently we didn't get bombarded out of existence. Yet!
     
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    You are very ignorant of radiometric dating techniques. Carbon-14 dating can only be used to date organic material, and only goes back 50,000 to 60,000 years. That's like yesterday compared to the age of most of Earth's craters.

    Radiometric dating
     
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    I said, don't claim those ages were determined by carbon dating. Actually those dates are completely arbitrary to support evolutionary concepts, a very ancient earth evolutionists require for evolution to occur.. All speculation with no proof.
     
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    The planets certainly sweep up anything that they happen to run into, but do very little to deflect or capture the large meteors that are on a trajectory to smack into the Earth.

    How do you think the planets, including Earth, formed? It's by the accretion of gas, dust, asteroids, and meteors over billions of years.

    History of Earth
    Earth formed around 4.54 billion years ago, approximately one-third the age of the universe, by accretion from the solar nebula.[4][5][6] Volcanic outgassing probably created the primordial atmosphere and then the ocean, but the early atmosphere contained almost no oxygen. Much of the Earth was molten because of frequent collisions with other bodies which led to extreme volcanism. While the Earth was in its earliest stage (Early Earth), a giant impact collision with a planet-sized body named Theia is thought to have formed the Moon. Over time, the Earth cooled, causing the formation of a solid crust, and allowing liquid water on the surface.​
     

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    You're the king of speculation.
     
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