Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    You confuse cooperative and collective. We could make a business contract and nations make treaties to cooperae on a project. Collective is more like a hostile takeover of another company or nation. The goosesepping nazis in your photo belonged to a collectivist and totalitarian government.

    Yes socialism is and has infiltrated much of the world. All the reason for us to resist with all our might! People get the government they deserve. There are no innocents.
     
  2. ImaginaryNumber
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    Really?

    You, me, and a citizen of the most repressive government you can imagine, all are getting the government they deserve???

    Wow!

    I doubt you and I will ever see eye to eye.
     
  3. Yobarnacle
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    When the government fails the people, it's not only a right, its a duty for citizens to correct and to reform the government! Read it in the Declaration of Independence, which is US Code, Law one."The Organic Laws of the United States of America." If you tolerate injustice, you deserve injustice. If you tolerate corrupt politicians, you desrve them. I don't intend to tolerate them. I intend we return to original meaning in Constitution of limited federal government. I'm not alone. Criminal politicians won't be attracted to seek a limited power government office.

    "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government,"
    A socialist takeover is intolerable.Already usurped far too much. It's past time we take our country back! Back to basics as outlined in the Constitution and nothing more! Fire the unconstitutional bureaucracy completely.
     
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  4. ImaginaryNumber
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    Got it. Good luck perfecting our government. Be sure and let us know when we've arrive at Nirvana.
     
  5. ImaginaryNumber
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    Opinion: The smart way to reduce emissions and outmaneuver our rivals
    • Most nations won’t risk their own economic well-being in the hope of reversing what is clearly a global problem.It would be a mistake for the United States to do so without adopting a plan that compels other large carbon-emitting nations to do the same.
    • There is an approach that would serve all interests — the interests of Republicans and Democrats, as well as the interest of progress on both climate change and U.S. competitiveness.
    • The plan is co-authored by [Republican] Secretary Baker and the [Republican] late George P. Shultz, and will place market pressure on China and other nations to start doing their part.
    • It would place a fee on all carbon emissions in the United States
    • All of the revenue from the fee would be returned to Americans in the form of a quarterly dividend, and therefore not a tax
    • It would incentivize the private sector to find new and better ways to reduce emissions
    • It would rebate to U.S. manufacturers their fees on exports to any nation without a similar carbon program
    • If any country refused to go along, it would have to pay a penalty to send its goods into the United States
    • This plan could partner with the European Union, which is already preparing legislation to charge imported goods for their emissions

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    The Four Pillars of Our Carbon Dividends Plan

    I. A GRADUALLY RISING CARBON FEE

    Economists agree that an escalating carbon fee offers the most cost-effective climate policy solution, sending a powerful price signal to steer businesses and consumers towards a low-carbon future. Accordingly, the first pillar of our bipartisan plan is an economy-wide fee on CO2 emissions starting at $40 a ton (2017$) and increasing every year at 5% above inflation. If implemented in 2021, this will cut U.S. CO2 emissions in half by 2035 (as compared to 2005) and far exceed the U.S. Paris commitment. To ensure these targets are met, an Emissions Assurance Mechanism will temporarily increase the fee faster if key reduction benchmarks are not achieved.​

    II. CARBON DIVIDENDS FOR ALL AMERICANS
    All net proceeds from the carbon fee will be returned to the American people on an equal and quarterly basis. A family of four will receive approximately $2,000 in carbon dividend payments in the first year. This amount will grow as the carbon fee increases, creating a positive feedback loop: the more the climate is protected, the greater the dividend payments to all Americans. According to the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the vast majority of American families will receive more in carbon dividends than they pay in increased energy costs. The popularity of dividends will help ensure the longevity of a bipartisan grand bargain based on these pillars.​

    III. SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY SIMPLIFICATION
    The third pillar is the streamlining of regulations that are no longer necessary upon the enactment of a rising carbon fee. In the majority of cases where a carbon fee offers a more cost-effective solution, the fee will replace regulations. All current and future federal stationary source carbon regulations, for example, would be displaced or preempted. This regulatory simplification will be contingent on the continued presence of an ambitious carbon fee. Trading regulations for a carbon price will promote economic growth and offer companies the certainty and flexibility they need to innovate and make long-term investments in a low-carbon future.​

    IV. BORDER CARBON ADJUSTMENT
    Carbon-intensive exports to countries without comparable carbon pricing systems will receive rebates for carbon fees paid, while carbon-intensive imports from such countries will face fees on the carbon content of their products. A well-designed system of border carbon adjustments will enhance the competitiveness of American-based firms that are more energy-efficient than their foreign competitors, while preventing carbon leakage and free-riding by other nations. This will put America in the driver’s seat of global climate policy and encourage other large emitters – such as China and India – to follow America’s lead and adopt carbon pricing of their own.​
     
  6. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    I grow bananas. It is a huge carbon sink, a boon to primatekind. You're welcome. Now don't bother me.
     
  7. Yobarnacle
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    I post rather than rant on a soapbox. Less CO2 expired.
     
  8. Yobarnacle
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    If the socialists are allowed to tax carbon, conservatives should get to tax oxygen as compensation. Including the oxygen component in water.

    Fairly soon, we wil all be taxed into bankruptcy.

    Taxes are armed robbery. It isn't earned or inherited, it's taken by threat of force. I am against armed robbery on principle.
     
  9. ImaginaryNumber
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    Apparently your reading skills are fading. It is CONSERVATIVES who are proposing a carbon fee. And because the fee will be directly returned to the American people, it is not a tax. It is expected that most people will actually receive more back in cash than what they spend in higher fuel costs.

    Original Co-Authors

    JAMES A. BAKER, III, served as Secretary of State under President George H.W. Bush, Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan and White House chief of staff under both. He is a senior partner in the law firm of Baker Botts.

    HENRY M. PAULSON, JR., served as Secretary of the Treasury under President George W. Bush. Previously, he served as chairman and chief executive officer at Goldman Sachs. He is the founder and chairman of the Paulson Institute.

    MARTIN FELDSTEIN served as Chairman of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers from 1982 to 1984 under President Reagan. Before his passing in 2019, he was the George F. Baker Professor of Economics at Harvard University and President Emeritus of the NBER.

    GEORGE P. SHULTZ served as Secretary of State under President Ronald Reagan, and as Secretary of Treasury and Labor under President Nixon. Before his passing in 2021, he was the Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow at the Hoover Institution.

    TED HALSTEAD founded the Climate Leadership Council and served as its chairman and CEO until his untimely passing in September 2020. Previously, he founded New America, a leading public policy think tank. He co-authored The Radical Center: The Future Of American Politics.

    THOMAS STEPHENSON is a partner at Sequoia Capital, a venture capital firm based in Silicon Valley. Stephenson previously served as the United States Ambassador to Portugal from 2007 to 2009 under President George W. Bush.

    N. GREGORY MANKIW served as Chairman of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers from 2003 to 2005 under President George W. Bush. He is the Robert M. Beren Professor of Economics at Harvard University.

    ROB WALTON served as chairman of the board of Walmart, the world’s largest retailer and employer, from 1992 to 2015. He is currently Chairman of the Executive Committee of Conservation International.
     
  10. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    Ima thinking to name my next boat Rinos B. Sinking.
     
  11. ImaginaryNumber
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    North America Has Its Hottest June on Record
    • Multiple records in the Pacific Northwest of the US were broken
    • Lytton, British Columbia, broke the Canadian temperature record three days in a row. The next day, most of the town was destroyed by a wildfire
    • Europe logged its second-hottest June
    • 13 locations in France surpassed their highest temperature ever recorded
    • June was Earth's fourth hottest month
     
  12. Yobarnacle
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    Imagine how hot 2022 will be?
     
  13. hoytedow
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    We don't even know if there will be a 2022.
    It could be an imaginary number.
     
  14. ImaginaryNumber
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    Ho, hum. I see you two are back to your typical twaddle. At least when Yob talks about governance he speaks with conviction and passion, if not with persuasion.
     

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    My reference to 2022 being ESPECIALLY hot is because its election year again, and tempers will be flaring. and rhetoric incindiary
     
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