Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    Members of the group think are the only experts you accept and I accept none of them. They are all corrupted.
     
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    Capping methane-spewing oil wells, one hole at a time
    • The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that there are 3 million abandoned oil and natural gas wells
    • Some are leaking methane at a greenhouse-gas equivalent rate of roughly 600 cars per year -- some for as long as 30 years
    • Well Done Foundation is a small nonprofit that is plugging orphaned sites to trap the methane underground
    • They pump cement hundreds of feet down, through a series of pipes stuck in the 7½-inch-wide borehole
    • They have now plugged their seventh well, stopping the emissions equal to thousands of automobiles
    • Well Done hopes to expand from Montana to Pennsylvania, Louisiana, and Kansas
     
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    Meanwhile Earth keeps farting methane where no wells were ever drilled. What a colossal waste of money.
     
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    Top court gives French government nine months to act on climate change
    • Last November the Conseil d'Etat gave the government three months to show it was enacting climate policies that make attainable a target of reducing greenhouse gases by 40% of their 1990 levels by 2030
    • Now it is saying that current action is insufficient and that "The Conseil d'État therefore instructs the government to take additional measures between now and March 31, 2022, to hit the target"
    • A spokesperson for the council said it could issue a fine if measures fell short of what was necessary
     
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    In France you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. English law which US laws are based on is the reverse. I prefer our system.
     
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    Presumption of innocence
    In France, article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen of 1789, which has force as constitutional law, begins: "Any man being presumed innocent until he has been declared guilty ..." The Code of Criminal Procedure states in its preliminary article that "any person suspected or prosecuted is presumed innocent for as long as their guilt has not been established"[6] and the jurors' oath repeats this assertion (article 304; note that only the most serious crimes are tried by jury in France).[33] However, there exists a popular misconception that under French law, the accused is presumed guilty until proven innocent.[34]

    Although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments. The case of Coffin v. United States (1895) established the presumption of innocence of persons accused of crimes. See also In re Winship.
     
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    I stand corrected. It's Latin law presumed guilt.
     
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    An interesting, if informal, article on the tendency for humans to place great attention on current problems, while often ignoring problems of the future, even if attending to those distant problems now would save in the long term.

    The Miami Building Collapse and Humanity’s Tragic Fight for the Future

    From the fallen Champlain Tower to climate change, humans haven’t yet learned to avoid catastrophes they know are coming.
     
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    Imagine contingency plans for the consequences of allowing socialists to gain control of the entire world. Freedoms lost can only be regained by bloody revolution and rebellion. AGW promotes socialism and a future blood bath!
     
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    Yes, that's why I'm fighting against AGW as best I can! ;)
     
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    No, you are promoting the AGW myth and the marxist political agenda. MARXISTS WANT A ONE PARTY SYSTEM CALLED PROGRESSIVE TO HIDE IT'S TRUE IDENTITY, THE COMMUNIST PARTY.

    That's why I fight against it to the best of my ability.
     
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    Even capitalism works best if people cooperate. Just because a group of nations agree to work together to solve a mutual problem does not necessarily mean they are Marxist, or Socialist, or Communist. If you can't understand that I suspect you are going to be angry and frustrated the rest of your life.

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    Don Quixote:
    Someone who is determined to change what is wrong, but who does it in a way that is silly or not practical.
     
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    Marxist including Marx himself confused capitalism as a form of government. Capitalism is economics. Individualism is opposed to collectivism, totalitarianism, and socialism. Collectivism is state centric and willing to sacrifice individuals for the "greater good", the state. Monarchy to Communist, is all collectivist. All collectivist societies are totalitarian even if they vote. Stalin said it doesn't matter who they vote for, they vote for us! Individualism is the anti-collectivist, the ideal, and predicated upon we are ALL individuals. PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHTS and the entire group of individuals is safe. All groups are safe regardless of identification. Fail to protect the rights of each and every individual and nobody is safe. Everyone is a possible and eventually a likely sacrifice for the benefit of the majority. No collectivist democracy philosophy please. The majority tramples individual rights unless restrained. Nothing to do with capitalism unless you live in an oligarchy. When the state owns everything in a socialist nirvannah, then it is an oligarchy. The businesses rather than being owned by the state, owns the state, is the state. Look at Pemex and Mexico. The nationalized oil company controls all national policy.and funds the government. The government does whatever benefits Pemex. Freedom is an individual right granted by our Creator. Our Constitution prohibits government from encroaching on our individual rights, but the power crazed politicians keep trying. We need to remove their immunity and exact penalties for their trying to circumvent the Constitution. Two terms as a lifetime limit is a good start.
     
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    Whatever <roll eyes>

    What you fail to understand is that we have a collective, world-wide problem, and that collective problem can only be solved by collective, governmental action. It can't be solved solely by individual efforts. Your myopic focus on individual rights, while not in itself wrong, is causing you to be blind to the larger picture.

    As an analogy, it took collective action to wage WWII. Some individual rights were suspended during the war, such as the draft, but were later reinstated.

    Even in non-war situations we regularly give up some of our individual rights to make for a smoother-functioning society. For instance, we give up the right to drive whenever and wherever we please, and instead agree to abide by state-mandated traffic laws. What we gain by collectively following traffic laws is greater than what we lose by insisting on keeping our individual rights to drive, say, on the left side of the road (in the USA), or drive through red lights.

    Back to the issue at hand. I'm not sure what fundamental individual right we are going to permanently give up if we collectively decide to move away from a fossil-fuel based system to a solar/wind/hydro/nuclear system? A few centuries back we moved away from a draft animal-based economy to a coal-based economy, and then later included oil and natural gas to further make draft animals obsolete. Now we are deciding to move on from oil and coal. What's wrong with that? Why does that somehow automatically make us Marxist or Communist or Socialist? We are simply anticipating the future and making prudent choices. There is no giant conspiracy to force everyone to parade around goosestepping.

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    A 20-Foot Sea Wall? Miami Faces the Hard Choices of Climate Change.
    • After Hurricane Irma left parts of Miami underwater, the federal government embarked on a study to find a way to protect the vulnerable South Florida coast from deadly and destructive storm surges
    • The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed six miles of 20-foot high seawall, mostly inland, running parallel to the coast through neighborhoods
    • Nobody likes the $6 billion price; nobody likes the ideas of a massive sea wall up to 20 feet high cutting across beautiful Biscayne Bay
    • We “need to have a conversation about, culturally, what are our priorities?”
    • “And there is a tremendous amount of reluctance to enter into that discussion.”
     
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