Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    Is the statue of liberty really in danger of being half submerged, then at worst case scenario happens?
     
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    We need more greenhouse gases.
     
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    Worst case scenario? Snowflakes move to coal country.
     
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    Wasting away: Sea urchins suffer deformities from plastic chemicals
    • Chemicals found both in new plastics and those washed up on a U.K. beach caused deformities in sea urchin larvae, according to a new study in the journal Environmental Pollution.
    • Sea urchin larvae raised in water tainted by chemicals found in plastics showed serious deformities; plastics that had never been chemically treated did not cause deformities.
    • Chemicals are added to some plastics to enhance their properties, while plastics at sea can accumulate and concentrate chemicals already polluting the oceans.
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    Sea urchin larvae raised in plastic-free water, left, and water that had held microplastics for two days, right.
    Image courtesy of Eva Jimenez-Guri.
     
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    3 Things People Get Wrong About The Polar Vortex And Climate Change

    1) The Polar Vortex is not a storm that comes to get us like the boogeyman or a tornado.

    The polar vortex is a large, persistent, upper-atmospheric, cyclonic circulation that forms and exists over the winter pole.
    Using an analogy, the Polar Vortex as a chain-linked fence holding in a group of animals. If there is a breach in the fence, a few animals might escape, but if the entire fence collapses, they all come piling out.

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    2) Did climate change cause this outbreak?
    “While the polar vortex is well documented, its behavior has become more extreme as a result of climate change. As the Arctic region warms disproportionately compared to the tropics, there is also evidence that the Jet Stream becomes “wavier” such that its lobes penetrate more southward.

    3) You can have extreme cold in one part of the world and warm anomalies (difference from normal) elsewhere

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    Temperature anomalies on February 19th, 2021
    Climate Reanalyzer, University of Maine
     
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    I know all the climate change stuff you post includes your assumption it's mankinds fault, but it isn't an indicator humans did anything to cause it. Climate has always been changing even before humans existed.
     
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    We all make assumptions. The difference between your assumptions and my assumptions is that science supports my assumptions, but doesn't support your assumptions -- all your protestations to the contrary not notwithstanding.
     
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    Au contraire. You keep claiming science proves man causes climate change yet never demonstrate more than assumptions made by others. You have no proof while there is historical and scientific proof climate was changing before man could possibly have any affect..
     
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    Yes, I agree that Earth's climate changed before man could have had an effect. But there always was a reason for that change, just as there is a reason for the change in climate now. Unfortunately for Deniers, they have not been able to scientifically demonstrate any natural cause that would account for the extreme and rapid changes we are now seeing. On the other hand, scientists have shown multiple times, both using the theories of first principles, as well as by empirical measurements, that human-emitted CO2, and other GHGs, are why Earth's temperatures are rising so fast.
     
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    Ford invests $1 billion in German plant, targets move to ‘all-electric’ passenger vehicles in Europe by 2030
    • Ford said its entire passenger vehicle range in Europe would be “zero-emissions capable, all-electric or plug-in hybrid” by the middle of 2026, with a “completely all-electric” offering by 2030.
    • Ford also wants its commercial vehicle segment in Europe to be zero-emissions capable, plug-in hybrid or all-electric by 2024.
    • Jaguar Land Rover announced that its Jaguar brand would go all-electric from the year 2025.
    • Kia will launch its first dedicated electric vehicle this year
    • Volkswagen Group says it wants to roll out roughly 70 all-electric models by 2030
     
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    Good, and about time.
    My interest in electric vehicles is more in the line of progressive science, than in concerns for the environment. Although, that is also a concern. I don't care whether or not electric vehicles are more or less efficient. We need to explore their potential. There is a lot of promise with electric that can't be realized until we get to it.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     
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    Cycles don't need special triggering conditions, only time to go through the cycle stages. Climate change is demonstrably historically cyclic.. Tiny minute CO2 has not been scientifically demonstrated to be a climate change trigger, only a spin story, by your believers. it's only a dearly held belief on your side that it MUST be, because you reject it's a natural cycle. It's your mechanism to gain control. We deny you control. You can't force us to accept leftest control. Leadership is convincing people your way is best, not ordering them to get in line and follow. They'll tell you, F you.
     
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    Southern Ocean waters are warming faster than thought, threatening Antarctic ice
    • The sub-surface waters surrounding Antarctica are warming much more rapidly than previously known
    • Furthermore, this relatively warm water is rising toward the surface at a rate three to 10 times what was previously estimated
    • This added warmth may soon help to destabilize parts of the Antarctic Ice Sheet
    • “We cannot predict if the situation will be the same as in West Antarctica all around the continent in the future, but we are now observing changes going into that direction”
    • “Generally speaking, this shows that the ocean is very sensitive to human-induced climate perturbations, and even far south in the Southern Ocean. These changes might intensify in the future, with major consequences on the stability of the Antarctic ice cap, the global circulation of the ocean and the sea-level rise.”
    The research was published in Nature Communications
     

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    Flood risk is growing for US homeowners due to climate change. Current insurance rates greatly underestimate the threat, a new report finds
    • 90% of flood insurance is through the federal government's National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP)
    • The average NFIP premium cost today for those properties is around $981, but their expected annual loses are $4,694 per property
    • The study only considered residential properties with between one and four units, and ignores the many other structures that are at risk
    • A separate report issued last year estimated that there are a total of 14.6 million properties around the country with substantial flood risk that are located outside of FEMA's Special Flood Hazard Areas (SFHA)
    The analysis was conducted by the First Street Foundation, a non-profit research and technology group that studies flooding risks
     
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