Help me find a boat: 26ft planing centerboard wood sailboat?

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  1. griffinb
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    I was looking at a Raven class sloop. 24'3", planing centerboard classic sailboat, but I found out the race I want to do has a 26' min LOA.

    Basically, I'm looking for a 26'0" Raven.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. wet feet
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    Build a 22" extension on the transom?
     
  3. Howlandwoodworks
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    Welcome,
    Sometimes sailors in your area will gravitate to a couple different class boats. They can come up for sale more often or not. In turn there will be that kind of boat in the racing fleet in a higher percentages make you one of the tribe from day one.
     
  4. Will Gilmore
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    How about a 26 A Scow?
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    -Will
     
  5. griffinb
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    A Scows are 38' long. Are you suggesting I custom-built a 26' scaled version? That's a different question. I'm trying to find something already available used.
     
  6. griffinb
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    Locally, the 26' wooden boat is an Alerion, but has a lee board, not a real centerboard. Not beachable. Also, they are damned expensive.
    The local centerboard boats are Rhodes 19 and Marshall 18, which are too small.
     
  7. griffinb
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    Good idea, though I would have trouble finding one of the very few wooden Raven sailboats, and then would feel a little bad about modifying it out of the class...
     
  8. Will Gilmore
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    Ha ha ha.
    My mistake. I Google "26' scow" and got a page titled "Lake Minnetonka, 26 A Scows As..." with a picture.

    I thought the class name was '26 A Scow' sorry about that.

    I did check, and the E Scow is 28'. It's two feet over, but it meets the race criteria.
     
  9. griffinb
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    But the first few were made of wood, and they do have centerboards, so it does check most of the boxes. But TWELVE feet too long.
     
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    You could build one of these and increase the station spacing a little to give the length.There shouldn't be any concerns about class racing because I don't suppose there are enough of them in existence to hold a class race. Fairey Fox http://www.uffafox.com/faireyfx.htm
     
  11. griffinb
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    I'm hoping I don't have to custom-build something.
    If I do, then the Raven class (LoA 24'3", and the Fairey Fox (24'-6''), are the two closest starting points I've seen (wood, centerboard, planing, almost 26'). I could stretch them to 26'0", and probably still claim they are a "classic" design.

    I've also found this website for an Ipswitch Bay 26', but it doesn't look like any have ever been built.
    Ipswich Bay 18 "Peggy Bliss" - dansdories https://sites.google.com/site/dansdories/ipswichbay18

    But, if I'm doing a full custom build, then I may as well start with a clean sheet...
     
  12. Will Gilmore
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    What, exactly, are the entry requirements? You said, minimum LOA of 26'. Does it also have to be a "classic" design? What defines "classic"? What is the maximum LOA?

    The E Scow is 28', and the J80 is 26', but it is a keel boat.

    I found the Atlanta 26 on sailboatdata.com, built in 1955.
    atalanta_26_photo.jpg atalanta_26_drawing.jpg
    She looks way ahead of her time.

    -Will
     
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  13. griffinb
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    The race is The Opera House Cup on Nantucket. 26'0" min LOA. It also works out the max size for moorings on Nantucket (without waiting extra YEARS for the big boat mooring field) is 26'0". The Opera House Cup is open to wood monohulls. Either classic designs, or modern "spirit of tradition" boats. So, if it's a new design, it can't have max beam carried back to the stern, open transom, etc.

    Ideally I could find a design from pre-1950. Then I could race in the vintage division, and the race committee wouldn't have any chance of disqualifying me...

    If I really can't find something to check all the boxes, and have to start from scratch, then I may as well design a 26' rule-beater spirit of tradition boat...

    That Atalanta 26 does look ahead of its time, especially the reverse sheer.
     
  14. CT249
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    The Raven's yardstick translates to about 194 PHRF, which gives us a ballpark. The Atalanta's old British yardstick translates to about 235 which is not close to the same category.

    One possibility is the German 20m2 Jollenkreuzer (dinghy cruiser)

    Startseite - Deutsche Klassenvereinigung der 20qm Jollenkreuzer e.V. https://www.20er-jollenkreuzer.org/

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    https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/9RAAAOSwysxh1u3K/$_57.JPG

    Ticks most of your boxes if you use an older design in this development class. The official German ratings put the older boats at the equivalent of about 208 PHRF. The Jollenkreuzers are often absolute jewels of stunning woodwork.

    The Flying 20 is 26'6" overall, so you could trim it a bit. Here's the big sister; Flying Again - Uffa Fox Flying 25 sails again https://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Flying-Again-Uffa-Fox-Flying-25-sails-again/-40824?source=google

    and here's the very popular little sister, the Flying 15 of 20' LOA. She's too small but she gives you an idea.
    http://bryanwillismarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Flying-15-FF-Wood-Yacht-Restoration-7.jpg

    I think the PHRF is 225 (she's a downwind flyer but small in waterline and rig) so a Flying 20 would have a PHRF of about the same as a J/24 (174).

    Of course the quickest thing that would fit the rules would be a Thames A Rater, but you may want to revert to the older and lower rig;

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  15. CT249
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    Actually if they allow a big dinghy like a Raven or a Thames A Rater, they'd allow a Renjolle; pretty close to a J/70 in speed!

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