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Discussion in 'Boatbuilding' started by Dreamsailoring, Mar 29, 2013.

  1. SamSam
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    SamSam Senior Member

    Good luck!
     
  2. Dreamsailoring
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    SORRY I came like a idiot. To explain I have been talking to alot of people other then these site to learn I what to build. Just when I thought I had every thing figured out I was quatoed a price to move a catamaran. WOW the beam was over twenty feet so thatg ment closing roads to move it, police escorts and permit. That cost alot. So I change to a monohull. Not my perfered choice but after much advice it is one I can gladly live with. Plus I can build it in my yard then all I have to pay for is a move of a boat with a beam of 12 feet. Less Less exspincive.
    Again SORRY.
     
  3. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    A cat, multihull, is a money looser.

    Mooring fees are a killer. Build cost, Insurance, resale value...dont even go there.
     
  4. SamSam
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    A backyard build is good as it is right there with no travel time and the tools and materials readily available, if not already piled around where you last worked.
     
  5. SamSam
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    A suggestion...build a small, quick build, trailer-able boat for now and the near future while planning/building take place on the large boat. That gets everyone involved quickly in a short term project and is a source of recreation and learning for the family while the long term build is progressing.

    The Great Lakes can get very ugly very quick, as can the SF Bay. I've always liked this boat, another "Pelican" even, that comes in three sizes, 12, 16 & 18'.
    http://community-2.webtv.net/PelicanSailboat/SFPELICANBOATS/index.html
     
  6. Dreamsailoring
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    So I am thinking of the Glen-l 36ft delphin. What does you think? It is for me my wife and three girls. I think the design is a good one but I am concerned about the weight my family will be bring along when traveling. Does a monohull have weight issues like a mulitihull?
     
  7. michael pierzga
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    Every boat needs to be built , commisioned and operated at its designed displacement
     
  8. Dreamsailoring
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    These are the design specs of a glen-l 36
    Characteristics
    Length overall 36'-0"
    Length waterline 30'-0"
    Beam 12'-1" (3.38 M)
    Draft 5'-0"
    Freeboard forward 5'-4"
    Freeboard aft 3'-9"
    Displacement (at D.W.L.) 16,500 lbs.
    Ballast weight 6500 lbs.
    Main cabin headroom 6'-5"
    Fuel capacity 40 gals.
    Water capacity 110 gals.
    Sleeping accommodations 7-8
    Sloop sail area Main - 327 sq. ft.
    Foretriangle - 384 sq. ft.
    Total - 711 sq. ft.
    Ketch sail area Main - 284 sq. ft.
    Foretriangle - 337 sq. ft.
    Mizzen - 84 sq. ft.
    Total - 705 sq. ft.
    Hull type: Round bilge hull form with fixed ballast keel. Plans available for one-off fiberglass construction using either PVC foam sandwich core or fiberglass planking with fiberglass laminates, or for molded plywood construction.
    Sail type: Masthead rig in sloop or ketch configurations.
    Power: Single inboard of 20 to 30 shaft horsepower.
     
  9. Charly
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    Charly Senior Member

    Bingo.

    Nothing else matters nearly as much does it?

    Have you checked out wharram cat designs? A lot of room on those for the money. I would look into some kind of a demountable cat. You could finish most of the work and move it piecemeal to the water. Assemble it there on the beach and then tow it off into the sunset...
     
  10. Dreamsailoring
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    Ok I agree with you SamSam Maybe build a small sailing boat to teach them how to sail I found a 8m sailboat. That should be trailorable has a daggerboard guess I could install a small engine to help trailor it. Think an 8m would be a good size to learn on. It has room to sleep in since I would have to make sailing a weekend trip. I live in pittsburgh and the lake is about 2hours away. Leave on friday come back on Sunday afternoon.
     

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  11. SamSam
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    Well, that there is still a kind of major build. That size makes living on it with 5 people for even a weekend crowded. Remember you'd have to take the mast down to trailer a trailer sailer. You have to move around in them in a bent over stoop.

    If you could combine your camping skills which the kids are familiar with, with a small open sailboat to get you to the camp spot is an alternative.

    Again, boats that size (8mm) are even more widely available at reasonable prices. People get boats and use them for awhile, then the rush wears off, things have to be fixed, it becomes hard to find the time and effort to use them so they sit for longer and longer periods. If they are at a dock, the real deal killer is the dock fees keep building ($5-10 a ft. per month around here) and before you know it you have to pay up the $xxx you owe before they let you take it out, and then before you know it the bill is more than the boat is worth. Plenty of boats get abandoned at marinas and the marina really doesn't want them. Down at a close by marina here, there is a 24' solid glass boat that never had a drop of water in the bilge, with masts, rigging, sails of ???condition, for free. They fairly regularly dumpsterize abandoned motor and sail boats. Putting the boats "on the hill" is not good as they take up valuable room, and if they sink at the dock from rainwater or a hose lets loose, it is a big liability for the marina.
     

  12. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    A small boat means a SMALL boat. One that kids can use once its finished.

    Best to start small and young
     
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