Global Warming? are humans to blame?

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Do you believe

  1. Global Warming is occuring as a direct result of Human Activity.

    106 vote(s)
    51.7%
  2. IF Gloabal Warming is occurring it is as a result of Non-Human or Natural Processes.

    99 vote(s)
    48.3%
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  1. Yobarnacle
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    “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present
    alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major
    businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” -
    Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the
    Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

    “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist
    knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps
    Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda
    Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu
    University in Japan.

    “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is
    something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of
    the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology
    Department at the University of La Plata.

    “Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate
    may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former
    Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha,
    Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.

    “But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by
    human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly
    inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored
    more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.

    “The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government
    control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the
    Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack
    Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological
    Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.

    “Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The
    global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the
    millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” -
    Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at
    the University of Colorado.

    “I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone
    man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data
    refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G
    LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s CSIRO. (The full
    quotes of the scientists are later in this report)

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  2. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    Ok so you want us to believe in some senate report authored by some crooked politicians that has absolutely no checks and balances behind it

    rather than the findings of the national academy of sciences review panel

    are you serious ?
     
  3. Yobarnacle
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    This Senate report is not a “list” of scientists, but a report that includes full biographies of
    each scientist and their quotes, papers and links for further reading. The scientists featured
    in the report express their views in their own words, complete with their intended subtleties
    and caveats. This Senate report features the names, biographies, academic/institutional
    affiliation, and quotes of literally hundreds of additional international scientists who
    publicly dissented from man-made climate fears. This report lists the scientists by name,
    country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own
    words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies, scientific analyses and
    original source materials as gathered from directly from the scientists or from public
    statements, news outlets, and websites in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

    The distinguished scientists featured in this new report are experts in diverse fields,
    including: climatology; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology;
    oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; astrophysics,
    engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes
    for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of
    the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Gore. Additionally, these scientists
    hail from prestigious institutions worldwide, including: Harvard University; NASA;
    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the National Center for
    Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Massachusetts Institute of Technology; the UN IPCC; the
    Danish National Space Center; U.S. Department of Energy; Princeton University; the
    Environmental Protection Agency; University of Pennsylvania; Hebrew University of
    Jerusalem; the International Arctic Research Centre; the Pasteur Institute in Paris; the
    Belgian Weather Institute; Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute; the University of
    Helsinki; the National Academy of Sciences of the U.S., France, and Russia; the University
    of Pretoria; University of Notre Dame; Abo Akademi University in Finland; University of
    La Plata in Argentina; Stockholm University; Punjab University in India; University of
    Melbourne; Columbia University; the World Federation of Scientists; and the University of
    London.

    Background: Only 52 Scientists Participated in UN IPCC Summary

    The notion of "hundreds" or "thousands" of UN scientists agreeing to a scientific statement
    does not hold up to scrutiny. (See report debunking "consensus" LINK) Recent research by
    Australian climate data analyst John McLean revealed that the IPCC's peer-review process
    for the Summary for Policymakers leaves much to be desired. (LINK) (LINK) (LINK) &
    (LINK) (Note: The 52 scientists who participated in the 2007 IPCC Summary for
    Policymakers had to adhere to the wishes of the UN political leaders and delegates in a
    process described as more closely resembling a political party’s convention platform battle,
    not a scientific process -LINK)

    One former UN IPCC scientist bluntly told EPW how the UN IPCC Summary for
    Policymakers “distorted” the scientists work. “I have found examples of a Summary saying
    precisely the opposite of what the scientists said,” explained South Afican Nuclear
    Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author
    who has authored over 150 refereed publications. [Also see: Internal Report Says U.N.
    Climate Agency Rife With Bad Practices - Fox News – December 4, 2008 ]

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  4. Yobarnacle
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    Ive got about 100 more pages to post, but like I stipulated. If it doesn't support YOUR position? It's lies.
    So why bother.
    Have a nice day, barbed wire. :)

    barbed wire? a tongue just as sharp and a mind just as narrow?

    seriously, I wish you well.
     
  5. Yobarnacle
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    lies by politicians? these are the scientists own words in the report.

    This Senate report is not a “list” of scientists, but a report that includes full biographies of
    each scientist and their quotes, papers and links for further reading. The scientists featured
    in the report express their views in their own words, complete with their intended subtleties
    and caveats.
     
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  7. Yobarnacle
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    Im not going to post any more on topic of global warming. I said yesterday I wouldnt, but when you said you were amerind, I felt I should accord you more respect. but a stubborn people you and I. Reckon we'd knock heads forever. lets just disagree with mutual respect.
     
  8. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    uh

    you do realize that thing is about 250 pages long don't you? so wrong again but small potato's

    so what your trying to point out is that an unqualified list, not constituting an accredited survey came up with 700 of the hundreds of thousands of scientists who disagree. And your point is ?



    if 97% agree that means 3% disagree. Which would seem to indicate assuming they found all that 3% that something like 23,333 agree with the theory.

    well I guess you've certainly proved that point

    There is a 3% and it does not agree

    cool, we have now established our first even remotely scientific point of agreement.

    There are those who disagree. and studies show that they represent about 3% of the whole of the climate science community as has been previously noted
     
  9. Yobarnacle
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    “Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a
    fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.”
     
  10. Yobarnacle
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    your upside down. 97% agree there is NO global warming...ach..I quit
     
  11. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    again simply more distractions, yup 3% of climate scientists disagree with the IPCC findings. So I wonder how many of that 700 are actually climate scientists. I also gotta wonder why it is we're not discussing the actual science rather than yet again another opinion piece found in some senate report by a climate denying crooked politician.
     
  12. Yobarnacle
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    im afraid whoever scalped you cut to the quick, my friend
     
  13. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    hmmmmmm
    seems like a basic lack of comprehension

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract

    read it a few times if you have to Yobar, I'll even highlight a few things for you.
     
  14. Yobarnacle
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    Over 700 dissenting scientists (updates previous 650 report) from around the globe
    challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore.
    This new 2009 255-page U.S. Senate Minority Report -- updated from 2007’s
    groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called
    global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 700 prominent
    international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have
    now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated report includes an additional 300 (and
    growing) scientists and climate researchers since the initial release in December 2007.
    The over 700 dissenting scientists are more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52)
    who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
     
  15. Yobarnacle
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    The notion of "hundreds" or "thousands" of UN scientists agreeing to a scientific statement
    does not hold up to scrutiny. (See report debunking "consensus" LINK) Recent research by
    Australian climate data analyst John McLean revealed that the IPCC's peer-review process
    for the Summary for Policymakers leaves much to be desired. (LINK) (LINK) (LINK) &
    (LINK) (Note: The 52 scientists who participated in the 2007 IPCC Summary for
    Policymakers had to adhere to the wishes of the UN political leaders and delegates in a
    process described as more closely resembling a political party’s convention platform battle,
    not a scientific process -LINK)
     

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