Global Warming? are humans to blame?

Troy
You are a mature and reasonable and intelligent man. I respect you, and most of your views.
I consider you and I, and the other hardworking, ethical, and considerate, members of this forum, the salt of the earth.
It's why I post and read here, instead of the other radical, snert and troll laden forums.

We have different political views. Excellent. We have choices. Much prefferable to single candidate elections that the USSR used to have.

I see so much error in predictions and philosophy and tactics, by the IPCC.

Temperatures aren't rising as predicted. Sea levels not rising as predicted. Glaciers building, not diminishing as predicted. Arctic and antarctic ice not diminishing as predicted.

The medieval warm period proved to be global.

Mann's hockey stick chart proved to be fraudulent and it's predictions wrong, but adopted and endorsed by IPCC.

Can't you see the IPCC is almost always wrong?

 

Glaciers "building"??? Arctic and antarctic ice "not diminishing"???
All I hear about is Glaciers receding and sea ice diminishing.

from the World Glacier Monitoring Service at the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

 

Interesting article, thanks.

It claims that the CO2 in the bio-diesel exhaust gets mostly reclaimed in next years soybean bio-diesel crop. Therefore, a huge net reduction in CO2 over petrolleum exhaust. They don't claim less CO2 in the biodiesel exhaust.

Using this argument, if oil companies planted CO2 encapsulating biomass, equivalent to petrolleum production, wouldn't that have the same effect reducing petro CO2?

If it wasn't the oil companies doing the planting, but someone else, still the same effect in minimizing atmospheric CO2?

We already have markets for total current soybean production. Bio-diesel will create a new market. A need for 10s of 1000s more acres of soybeans. planting this biomass, doesn't it offset the petrolleum CO2?


Exactly how can we determine WHOSE CO2 is being absorbed by plants?

 

Ok BPL, I'll be back in a minute with the glaciers and ice REAL data. Take me a few minutes to copy the urls.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/17/world/asia/glacier-himalayas-gain-mass/index.html

Glacier data in the wider Himalayan region hit the headlines in 2010 when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to apologize for a "poorly substantiated" study they cited which claimed all Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035.

Kemp told CNN at the time that the data, which found its way into their Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), was flawed, saying there were "simply no observations available to make these sorts of statements."

But this most recent work using satellites is of great value, he says, giving a picture of what is happening in a region where data has traditionally been scarce due to its remoteness and political issues -- the Karakoram range borders India, Pakistan and China.

Despite the slight gains, Gardelle says, the message on climate change remains the same.

"Global warming is far from spatially homogeneous and continuous with time. In our warming world, there are regions of the Earth where, during a few years or decades, the atmosphere is not warming or even cooling," Gardelle said.

"Karakoram may be one of those, but we lack consistent high elevation weather station to conclude firmly on this."


!979 was a peak year for ice. Remember the 1970s New Ice Age doom climatologists alarm?

Now, they point to 1979 and say, "It's global warming! We have lost ice since 1979!" Silly warmers!

http://www.real-science.com/more-ice-in-2012-than-1974

The NSIDC warmists say however that overall the Arctic ice - while up on recent years - is below the average seen since records began in 1979. In fact, according to the Cryosphere Today website run by the Polar Research group at Illinois uni, it's down by 443,000 square km. However the sea ice around the Antarctic coasts is above average by 452,000 km2, so overall the planet's sea ice is at the moment slightly above average in extent - and in the Bering Sea, the walruses, seals and polar bears can quite literally chill out in comfort.

The records began MUCH earlier than 1979. Silly warmers!




Back with more debunking.

 

http://geography.about.com/od/globalproblemsandissues/a/nexticeage.htm

"As only 11,000 years has passed since the last Ice Age, scientists can not be certain that we are indeed living in a post-glacial Holocene epoch instead of an interglacial period of the Pleistocene and thus due for another ice age in the geologic future. Some scientists believe that an increase in global temperature, as we are now experiencing, could be a sign of an impending ice age and could actually increase the amount of ice on the earth's surface.

The cold, dry air above the Arctic and Antarctica carries little moisture and drops little snow on the regions. An increase in global temperature could increase the amount of moisture in the air and increase the amount of snowfall. After years of more snowfall than melting, the polar regions could accumulate more ice. An accumulation of ice would lead to a lowering of the level of the oceans and there would be further, unanticipated changes in the global climate system as well.

Our short history on earth and our shorter record of the climate keeps us from fully understanding the implications of global warming. Without a doubt, an increase in the earth's temperature will have major consequences for all life on this planet."

Now you know why the switch from "global warming" to "climate change"!

They really don't know WHAT'S happening, but want to take credit for predicting it what ever it is. And it's anthropogenic CO2 caused, you betcha!

 

Have you wondered why it's called anthropogenic CO2?

Because if they called it what they REALLY BELIEVE is the culprit, very few americans would listen.

What they wish they could be honest about is, they believe it's WESTERN CULTURE CO2 causing global warming. The other innocent 80% of the world are victims of WESTERN CULTURE, primarily the UNITED STATES, and our greedy and irresponsible energy consumption. We are causing suffering in the world by instigating global warming! We must be made to PAY, and we must be forced to DIMINISH!

They hint at it, and actually say it from time to time, but the politically correct CAUSE CELEBRE is anthropogenic CO2.

Maybe, could they mean, only the west, primarily the USA, is human?

Silly warmers! So easy to read their motives.

 

bntii
The world is indeed a complicated place.

One truth obvious to all, even primitive ancient peoples, is nature, physics, the universe, what ever you choose to call it, works on cycles.

Early on, man knew the cycles of day&night, the seasons, birth^death.
In more modern times, we discovered waves. Light, sound, electro-magnetic waves, ect. waves have a frequency, of so many cycles.

Here is a very informative science based site. i reccommend to all sides to check it out.


http://www.oarval.org/ClimateChangeBW.htm

"The climate system is clearly characterized by a 60-year cycle. We have seen statistically compatible periods of cooling during 1880-1910, 1940-1970, 2000-(2030 ?) and warming during 1850-1880, 1910-1940, 1970-2000."

 

Actually, that list is mostly wrong....

 

Damn yob- you are supposed to politely ignore the nonsense I post as I grimly pour the first cup of coffee down the hatches.....

I need to practice hitting the DELETE button faster... LOL

 

Okay Troy
Mostly wrong isn't ALWAYS wrong.

Just for you, here is some IPCC beliefs that are correct. They don't make much noise about it though.

"Here are two statements that are completely agreed on by the IPCC. It is crucial to be aware of their implications.

1. A doubling of CO2, by itself, contributes only about 1°C to greenhouse warming. All models project more warming, because, within models, there are positive feedbacks from water vapor and clouds, and these feedbacks are considered by the IPCC to be uncertain.
2. If one assumes all warming over the past century is due to anthropogenic greenhouse forcing, then the derived sensitivity of the climate to a doubling of CO2 is less than 1°C. The higher sensitivity of existing models is made consistent with observed warming by invoking unknown additional negative forcings from aerosols and solar variability as arbitrary adjustments.

Given the above, the notion that alarming warming is 'settled science' should be offensive to any sentient individual, though to be sure, the above is hardly emphasized by the IPCC. "
http://www.oarval.org/ClimateChangeBW.htm


Here is a true temperature chart.

 

Funny. I've never read a climate study that says Chinese or Indian CO2 is good, and western CO2 is evil....

Nor do I believe an overwhelming majority of American scientists want to destroy their own country -- any more than I believe liberals or Democrats want to do so. Why would they want to trash the place where their children and grandchildren will be living?

I think you're assigning motives that aren't really there.

 

Troy
Who is on the IPCC?
Who WAS on the IPCC?

As to americans who believe the IPCC, I think most are well intentioned.

Why is global warming political at all?

Why is the subject of man made global warming, politically divided left and right?

Which political side includes the socialists? They certainly have no influence amongst the conservatives on the right!

It would be more logical if it were divided rich and poor.

forget party loyalty a minute and answer the above questions, and you'll be wiser!



I know the answers, but you didn't believe me in the past. So answer them yourself.

 

Making fuel out of sugar and corn is stupid and it has already been discussed ad nauseum and it wrecks our engines. Get rid of gasohol now!

 

Obama is an evil dictator wannabe who doesn't respect court rulings and will try to shove his(and your) stupid leftist freedom stealing policies down our throats like tyrants always do. No to one world government. Nations guard your borders and grow your own freedom movements within your own countries. Never let the spark of liberty be extinguished no matter where you are. We get our inalienable rights from God, not governments and governments have no right to steal our rights, our liberty or our freedom. God rules. Obama will lose or be a dictator but he can't kill the Spirit of Man.