For those who carry arms on their boats-

There never was really any ban on research, as such.

Looks to me like CDC officials took the easy (cowardly?) way out and completely dropped the subject, because they were afraid they might come up with some results that would offend the NRA.


I like my guns, and I like my right to keep and bear them. But I don't particularly like the NRA; I think they've stopped representing the average American gun owner. Instead, they represent gun fanatics and manufacturers. Unfortunately, they're basically the only game in town when it comes to fighting irrational gun laws.

 

Thats probably because there is more fanatics that will help them to exist even if they were to be the minority --they shout and squeal much louder.

 

Sorry, but that's a total crock -- and being a veteran myself, I resent the typecasting. As a group, veterans are more law-abiding than the general population.

You've obviously never been in the military -- or if you were, the training didn't stick. The only people who come out of the service believing might makes right are the ones who were already sociopaths before they went in.

 

They drill into them unarmed combat until there response is natural and immediate. they teach you how to kill people right?
Perhaps you were only a cheff or store keeper.


Even if they were half psychopath before they went in they certainly will be a capable psychopath when they get out.

Even then,-- disregarding the above when you come out you have capabilities way over the norm for street use.

And thats what the Rambo movie was a about. Throwing back into the community a martial arts, boxer without de briefing, dis arming him first --if there is such a thing.

 

That is a very interesting point.

 

Err emmm

First, listen to what that weirdo with the assault rifle stated , an Ex vet., physiological problems, intimidating shoppers while fantasizing about being Dirty Harry.

Serious Gun control is required.

Then read this...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/27/AR2009072702331.html

Then read this...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/veterans-ptsd-crime-report_n_1951338.html

And this http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/news/us/series/war_torn/index.html

estimated 223,000 veterans, mostly from the Vietnam War era, currently in prison. Recorded sexual assault crimes within the military have doubled since 2006, from 665 cases to 1,313 last year. Some 17,000 active-duty soldiers are currently in military detention or awaiting judicial proceedings, according to the Army.

Then read this...http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/sep/05/more-us-soldiers-died-suicide-battlefield-2012/

If you don't agree then you can talk to my Mom...she worked with psychologically broken Vietnam vets at Walter Reed Hospital for many years.

Ask her if she would give them guns

 

Umm..... Frosty? Rambo was a work of fiction. Please tell me you don't believe that's what reality is like.

Can you find a single study that says veterans are more likely to commit murder than those who've never been in combat? I've never seen one. If it were true, most countries would've been drenched in blood during the forties and fifties, after millions of combat veterans returned home.

 

I agree with this. The problem are usually not the ex-military personnel, they are usually disciplined persons, well-trained for the use of firearms. Sure, those who get back from the war zone with psychological trauma could be a problem - but not all mental issues create a potential murderer.

Looking at the latest mass-shooting cases, the problem are imo the testosteronic and violent young individuals, whose parents have given up on their education and handed it over to the tv, to the street, to videogames or other improper means. Plus the frustrated, unaccomplished and angry individuals, of which the modern society is a mass-generator. They have no discipline, no respect for life, no feelings for other persons and nobody who could help them and indicate them the way out of their dark tunnel.

It is a social problem, but instead of giving help to these persons, the society chooses to arm itself even more, awaiting for some phantasmal final battle against the evil. It is like trying to fight off a bacterial infection with firearms, when a good personal hygiene is all that was needed.

 

First of all, I've never run into a weirdo like that packing a gun at a shopping mall -- or anywhere else, for that matter. I'm sure they exist, but they're hardly your typical veterans. Gun control won't cure that guy; he needs therapy -- and probably psychotropic drugs.

OK, So 223,000 veterans are in prison, and you say they're 'mostly' Vietnam-era veterans. Let's see...according to the U.S. Census Bureau, in 2004 there were 8.2 million Vietnam-era veterans in this country. As of 2011, there were 21.5 million veterans total...

I don't need to talk to your mom about Vietnam veterans; I am a Vietnam veteran. And like millions of other Vietnam veterans, I never wound up psychologically broken at Walter Reed. Sorry to bust your balloon, but most of us are disappointingly normal and will never make the news for freaky behavior.

Most of us veterans do have guns, and we aren't the problem. Maybe your mom should've talked to a few of the rest of us, instead of just the head cases. Go ahead: find me a mass shooting in this country that was committed by a combat veteran, instead of by a disturbed adolescent or young adult who was never in uniform.

 

You're being defensive and missing the point.

Freedom to own firearms can only be viable if the gun holder is proven to be a responsible, sane citizen.

To achieve this goal what type of psychological test should be administered to a gun applicant and once this application is approved how will you monitor the gun holders mental health in future.

 

Since you seem to be starting from the premise that any American who wants to own a gun is by definition neither sane nor responsible, it's kind of hard to take your questions seriously...

You tell me instead: what type of test should be administered to 'prove' someone is a responsible, sane citizen? Who should administer and grade it? Who are you going to put in charge of monitoring millions of gun owners, and certifying their sanity on a regular basis? Who's going to pay for the vast bureaucracy that will be needed, and who's going to oversee it to prevent abuse of power?

And while we're at it, how are you going to test their spouses, children, room mates, or anyone else who might gain access to the gun?

 

It is Impossible to correctly control who has a gun.

This is the way I see it and this is the way many countries in the world see it.



Even police officers are screened before they are issued a weapon and after they fire that weapon in defense , to judge their mental health.

Less guns in circulation , less gun deaths.

And No guns on boats.

 

We seem to have reached an impasse. You believe guns are inherently evil, and no one should be trusted with them. I have a lifetime of experience that tells me you're wrong...

I'll have a gun locker on my boat when I'm done with it; not a big one. One with just enough room for a rifle and a shotgun, so I can go rabbit or quail hunting on the tribal lands that border the river and lakes. I'll also have a pistol for self-defense. And strangely enough, I won't flip out and start killing people with any of them -- in spite of their corrupting auras.

add: you won't get far telling the average American how 'other countries see it'; we're a nation of immigrants. Most of us are here because we or our ancestors didn't like the way things were done in those other countries....

another add (I have a few more minutes to kill before I have to get busy again): I would say 'of course' police officers are screened before they're issued a gun, rather than 'even' police officers. They carry loaded guns around for a living, and deal with the public day in and day out while wearing one.

 

Their is a shooting skeet range , overlooking the sea for citizen safety, 1km from my boat. I frequently remove plastic shotgun round parts from my sea strainer. A Local boy is a champion. I see no evil in his sport. I see no evil in well regulated gun ownership.

I see evil when oddballs carry assault rifles to the JC Penny and concerned citizens are powerless to stop it.

I see evil when gun industry lobby groups like the NRA block every sensible gun control proposal by fraudulently waving the Second Amendment on the stage of Patriotism.

Hopefully President Obama can make citizens safer with his new propsals.

 

He won't.