Following in the footsteps of Greece - bankrupcy that is....

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by Wynand N, Jan 30, 2012.

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  1. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    Thanks in advance for closing this hateful thread.
     
  2. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    I find myself constantly being accused of being anti American and then when I post something negative and or critical I feel about my own country 'Uk' it seems to have the same effect---go figure.

    Thinking that the world is full of nice people with nice houses with little windows and paper boy delivering the morning news as you say good morning to the post man is not reality and although this may give you a warm squidgy feeling and happy like it will kill you.

    A little fluffy bunny can not live in a pythons cage.

    What happened to greece is the after effect of reckless spending by people who new they would never have to be responsable for it as their term in office will have long expired before it had to be paid back. sound familiar?

    There is little a man in the street can do but constructive criticism is whats needed or at least a start. Im tempted to mention the Ostrich that sticks it head in the sand. An unusual method of protection --more denial really but there is many Ostriches around and you know what will happen if you close you eyes and stick your *** in the air dont you.
     
  3. whitepointer23

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    i would hate to imagine in thailand what would happen but i bet it would make your eyes water.
     
  4. hoytedow
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    Too true.
     
  5. leslielp
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    Good day to All!
    I Am a white South African citizen! Proud of it,:) live in a beautiful country with great traditions......but I am afraid Wynand is correct:!:. I live in a small town called Jeffreys Bay where the annual Billabong pro surfing contest gets held. I work about 40km away in one of the elite holiday towns in our country called St. Francis Bay. I build 60ft. luxury Carbon cats. We have potholes in our roads that are difficult to navigate with even most 4x4's. Drinking water quality is poor(never used to be). Education is going down the toilet. Taxes are being raised every so often. Crime here is not too bad(my region) we still get robbed, mugged, ***** and on occasion murdered.Statistics revealed that every 2minutes someone gets murdered/***** in S.A. I desperately want to get out of this country for the sake of my children. The only way for me to get out is to seek assylum(no country is prepared to give one) or find a job sponsor and immigrate(even harder than the former) thirdly have a lot of money in the bank so you could immigrate(yeah right!!!):(
    So, people can say what they want to, but this place will probably turn out like Zimbabwe soon.
    If anybody reading this post can help me, please contact me.
    Kind regards to all.
    Leslie
     
  6. tom kane
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    Check out immigration New Zealand web sites and have a look around. if you have money and skills there may be opportunity here. We have plenty of people from south Africa.
     
  7. Wynand N
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    Wynand N Retired Steelboatbuilder

    A year passed since my opening post in this thread and it is sad to say that things went for the worse....

    Anarchy is king in the labour sector with unlawful and violent strikes as recently seen in the mining sector and the Marikana massacre comes to mind to name but one that left 38 odd strikers dead.
    For the last two month the same is happening in the farming sector in the Cape leaving the soft fruit industry in tatters with fruit going bad on the vine/tree. These anarchists burned vineyards, packaging and processing stores and in effect destroying their own livelihood...so much for African mentality.:confused:
    They call for a 100% increase of labour rate - their pay is crappy, BUT, to double wages would cripple the very farmers they depend on for a living and already some farmers made it known mechanism is the way to go and another said they will take out the vines or fruit trees and go the cattle way which calls for very little help.

    Murder went from bad to worse and it is now open season for the murdering of white farmers and basically everyday murder of farmers make the headlines. Then the minister of police have the audacity to make a public statement that farm murders are not a priority crime and not as bad is it is made out:eek:. Again, blacks killing off the food basket of the country - every farmers supply food for thousands, but hey. this is Africa and poverty is the name of the game so the lazy native citizens of this degrading third world country can ask the first world countries for handouts earned by hard working citizens of the helping country.

    Just last night on the news in some town close to me all hell broke out with locals against the local municipality and they run amok in streets, plundering everything in their way, large shopping malls looted and destroyed with rioters climbing like baboons all over the racks helping themselves with whatever they can get their hands on.

    Twenty years down the line with the "new" democracy in place, the country went from everything working and in pristine condition to roads worse than bad, sewage running in streets many places and towns, state hospitals a farce with places no doctors or medicine available etc and still the powers to be find a horse to kick for their incompetence to run a country, namely apartheid :?: (which is dead and gone officially for 20 years and some years actually preceding the change of government) The anc has not the mentality to look in a mirror and see for themselves what they are lacking, and the president is the biggest corrupt crook setting the example for his cronies in government. Their million rands plus cars, posh houses and ridiculous high salaries, sucking dry the gravy train have precedence over the well being of the country, period.

    For the tourist, if you plan to visit, please, rather go somewhere else where you would be much more safer. The Kruger national wild life park is just a shadow of its former self and is being ***** by poachers for Rhino horn etc. OK to see a few monkeys, small antelope and a few elephant... If wildlife is your game, rather go to Kenia, Botswana etc with grander wildlife and much safer place to visit.
     
  8. leslielp
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    Thanks Tom! I have researched it before. I have skills- Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.
    That is where some of the problem lies. I have no paper qualifications, but I have been making moulds, laminating, welding, plumbing, etc. for many years. And not in my back yard but for big companys. It is cheaper for them to employ a skilled but not qualified worker!
    To go to N.Z. legally, I have to get a job sponsor first and then I can go over.The same applies for Aus., U.K., Canada etc. There is the illegal route, but prefer not to go that way as the consequenses are severe. As for money....I think I earn a reasonably good wage here, but still cannot afford to buy a house, secondhand car or even go on a short holiday within South Africa! That should give you an indication of my financial situation.
    A lot of boat yards are closing doors here and I think elsewhere in the world too! It is not easy at the moment for any boatbuilder. Luckily I still have work here and have many other prospects too. The only thing is that I want to get OUT while I can.
    When a ship starts sinking, do you bale or do you wait until it is completely submerged before you decide to look for a life-ring??
     
  9. Frosty

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    Is not SA part of the commonwealth as is New Zealand Australia and even bloody Zimbabwe.

    You should be allowed a visa to travel on holiday. Get a job and live there, when and If you get caught apply for asylum. What else can you do.

    If you get a job and get your life and family set up too you will show true intentions

    Im pretty sure thats what I would be doing.
     
  10. michael pierzga
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    For single guys its easy. South Africans are respected as crew on the Mega Yachts. Hundreds of them over here. Yachts are unique in that you are working on a "flag" , not in another country. A letter from the yacht is all you need for a visa. How you would pursue this with a family is unknown.

    You would be wise to make contact with this South African megayacht crew community to learn any tricks of the trade. .
     
  11. Frosty

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    And then what --run from his family? he is married, he has children , he wants a new country not a job as a decky for few months.

    They will still return him to SA --he wants out to keep alive.
     
  12. michael pierzga
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    As I said..the guys I meet are young and single.
     
  13. leslielp
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    Thanks guys!! Good to know that there are decent individuals out there who have other peoples interests at heart!
    I do not sail!! I BUILD. Very good at it too. Made moulds for motor trade for 9 years then moved over to boats. Been doing carbon epoxy now for 6 years and loving it! In charge of the laminating crew, primary and secondary assembly.Plumbing, engines and A.C. I install myself.
    I have contemplated it Frosty, quite a big gamble. I might have to try it when the time comes. In the mean time I am getting word out there in the hope that someone would give me a break. http://www.marinalive.gi/2012/09/21/tag-60-is-a-pedigree-cat/
    My second boat I built.
     
  14. pdwiley
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    If you try this in Australia, be prepared to be deported as soon as you're caught. Alternatively apply for asylum as soon as you step off a plane, but you almost certainly won't get it. Basically you want to move to better your economic situation and that doesn't qualify.

    In your situation I'd be looking to get out too, in fact the sooner the better. I'm just warning you, coming here and trying to fly under the radar isn't simple at all.

    The UK might be better. Get some basic documents and the entire EU is open to you. Much bigger pool to hide in.

    PDW
     
  15. leslielp
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    Thanks pdwiley, as I am really keen on leaving, I have done my homework. You are correct. The U.K. unfortunately has started clamping down too.
    I would rather do it the right way!!!!!! My best option is to get a job sponsor, move and then immigrate when you have settled on the other side. Problem being the job sponsor. Have sent my C.V. to numerous places with not even a single reply.:(
     

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