Flying Phantom F 18 Catamaran

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by Doug Lord, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. Doug Lord
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    Here is a blurb from catamaran racing(in 2011) about the "Flying Phantom F18". Its worth its own thread because Martin Fischer( see thread "Mayfly") is involved with design and foil development: ( There is more to this story-I talked to Martin Fischer earlier this week and he is working on the "flying " version-more soon ,I hope)

    http://www.sail-innovation.com/
    http://www.catsailingnews.com/2011/04/new-f18-design-phantom-by-alex-udin.html (2011 article)

    This is more good news for the F18 Class. SI Team , Olivier Backes and Arnaud Jarlegan crowned World Champs in 2010 with extra proven sails and now , team CEO , Alex Udin is launching a new F18 design.
    From what I'm seeing this could like the "Final Merge" style, but now with more feedback and some new cats launched.

    Merge: Capricorn, Wildcat, USA17-AC45, Nacra F20 and each of them with their lineage designs included. You'll see why when more info available.
    The Formula 18 continues its development within current rules, although as mentioned before, no much room to play with critical hull forms, lets see if this Phantom will become a Menace for the big 3, as the new Cirrus R with Mischa and Bastian.
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    Udin's press release:
    Sail Innovation is proud to announce the launch of the Phantom project.
    After their F18 world title, Olivier Backes and Arnaud Jarlegan were looking for a new challenge for 2011.

    We decided to develop a brand new 18' in close collaboration with Martin Fischer, in order to present a flying cat for Olympics Games selection for Rio.

    The Phantom 18' is based on all the development Martin’s did on the foils on the A Class since several years.

    After testing a lots of different foils and lifting rudders designs, Martin has find a brand new foils shape in combination with special lifting rudders which allows the boat to be really stable and fast while flying but also be very competitive in the light wind.
    We are convinced by the fact the flying cats is probably the future of our sports in terms of performance but also for the show.

    Pictures from SA multihulls "$40000 boat":

    An F18 version of this 18” has been developed in parallel to test the hull in different configuration.
    We are actually finishing the first boat in the F18 version in order to prepare the Eurocat. Olivier and Arnaud will be the first crew sailing on the boat.

    I am already very proud of all the team for being so much involved in this challenging project, it is another fantastic adventure for SAIL INNOVATION.

    Cheers
    ALEX


    Pictures from SA Multihulls, the "$40000" boat(not necessarily the price of this boat):

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  2. Doug Lord
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    Foil system will be an improved version of the Mayfly setup, designed by Martin Fischer. Click on the images and check out the rudder foils:

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    F18 Phantom Project

    Heres a good rendering showing the foils-look carefully at the foils of the Mayfly in the previous post:

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  6. Doug Lord
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    Flying Phantom-the Revolution Lives!

    Excellent article on this boat here: http://www.catsailingnews.com/2013/05/flying-phantom-update-elevated-state-of.html

    Excerpt from the article:




    Specs
    The boat is not just a modified F18 but it is entirely designed to foil, the only common part is the shape of the hulls.
    Lenght: 5,52m / 18"
    Width: 3,00m
    Mast: 9,5m / Carbon autoclaved
    Weight: 150kg
    Hulls construction: PVC sandwich, carbon fiber, epoxy
    Main area: 18sqm with mast
    Jib area: 5sqm
    Gennaker area: 24sqm

    Speed against other racing boats
    As soon as you have enough wind to fly a hull in 6 knots of True Wind Speed, the boat is faster upwind and downwind than an F18, the boat takes off downwind at 10 knots of TWS and then is much faster than most of the beach cats. We did some speed testing against a Vampire Marstrom 20 (3,5m wide) and the Phantom is faster downwind as soon as it foils and very similar upwind in 15knots of TWS.

    Max Speed
    We have actually reached 27 knots in 18 knots of TWS without kite and no one trapezing , we are actually working to improve the control of the steering which is clearly the limit to go faster. We believe we could achieve between 30 and 35 knots while we will have improved the stability of the boat.

    Goal of the project and production alternatives
    The target is to be able to produce a real production boat for next year, we are still doing some development on the foils and we try to make the systems as simple as possible in order to get a boat usable by most of the club sailors. We believe the new generation of foiling cats could attract more people to cat sailing, like the parabolic ski did 10 years ago. All sailors who sailed the boat are extremely enthusiastic, flying above the water brings incredible new sensations and although not requiring any specific skills.

    Costs
    The target price is to be only slightly more expensive than an F18 by having a fully industrialized product and selling direct. We hope the boat will be around 25 000 Euros ex tax.


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    Pictures by Pierrick Contin/ Sail Innovation
     

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  7. Doug Lord
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    Flying

    This boat is just the begining and is an example of "trickle down" from the 34th Americas Cup-particularly the revolutionary mainfoil design of Team New Zealand refined by the braintrust of Sail Innovation.
    There are a number of manufacturers considering doing cat foilers across a range of sizes-if they work as well as the Flying Phantom claims to then we're about to be in a whole new world where foiling will be accessible to just about everybody-not just the most athletic among us.
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    PS-Thanks, Manfred!
     
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    Flying Phantom

    More pictures of the Flying Phantom at 29 knots here: http://www.catsailingnews.com/2013/11/fine-tuning-flying-phantom-at-29knots.html see picture below---
    This is the first production boat to use a refined version of the foil system(3foil, single main foil) and foil pioneered by TNZ and adopted to one degree or another by all the AC 72's and several C Class boats.

    Flying Phantom: stable at 29 knots:
     

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    Flying Phantom

    Latest video of the Flying Phantom, first producrion catamaran foiler(Phantom International) utilizing a refined version of the foil configuration(and foil) pioneered by TNZ in the 34th America's Cup. Soon to debut at the Paris boatshow.(according to front page SA) Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sail-Innovation/161300650641076?ref=stream&hc_location=stream
    Another facebook page for Phantom International: https://www.facebook.com/PhantomInternational?ref=stream&hc_location=stream
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/PhantomInt
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    What they say about it: "The FLYING PHANTOM is the first production flying catamaran for general public, it is opening a new era in sailing; foiling above the water from 7 knots of wind and reach more than 30 knots of speed in 15-20 knots of wind !
    The revolution is on, realize your dream, fly above the water ! "
    (emphasis by dl)
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    This boat is stable and fast! Hopefully the first of many more.....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFPgt9p5MR0&feature=youtu.be


    (YouTube Video copyright Phantom International and published on their Facebook page)

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  12. Doug Lord
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    Flying Phantom

    This is the first time I've run into a video on both youtube and vimeo. This is the same content( the extraordinary one design Flying Phantom foiler) as the last post in the vimeo format-is their any difference?
    http://vimeo.com/80210023
     
  13. Baltic Bandit

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    Well Doug, I've scored a free pass to the Paris boat show. Jealous?
     
  14. Doug Lord
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    Flying Phantom

    Here is an interview(originally from SA) with Alex Udin of Sail Innovation talking about the Flying Phantom and his help(the foils) to the Groupama C Class project: http://vimeo.com/75113731
     

  15. Baltic Bandit

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    The irony of linking to Sailing Anarchy content is just too much for me to bear.
     
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