Floating home is NOT a boat,sez US Suprimes

[Submarine Tom]

Home is home.

Don't ever undestimate the value of that to the home owner / resident.

 

[myark]

Pictured is a smaller Myark amphibious folding trailer barge for those water way rules that do not allow house boats,
The advantage Myark folding trailer barge allows is light to tow and the traveling vehicle can be placed on top that allows the barge platform to be a house boat.
Also you have more options of remote water ways to use, for an example you could travel down the Mississippi in style and also come ashore to explore inland.
No doubling back and could follow the flow of the river using a electric outboard motor for peace and quiet while blending in with nature and been economical and environment friendly.

 

[FAST FRED]

Citizens United was a very fair decision ,as it allows companies the same advantage as unions.

The sad part is almost the only unions are Gov "employees" (cant say workers) and these are funded with tax extractions. So the union dues simply go to pay for campain funds , for folks willing to give gov "employees" even higher saleries and a far huger benefit package.

Do you get 50% over what a normal salary is and an inflation adjusted retirement , after 20 years where you work?

That a company can donate to a politico that will stop the attacks on their company ,so they can survive does seem fair to me.

 

[troy2000]

Citizens United was a very fair decision ,as it allows companies the same advantage as unions.

The sad part is almost the only unions are Gov "employees" (cant say workers) and these are funded with tax extractions. So the union dues simply go to pay for campain funds , for folks willing to give gov "employees" even higher saleries and a far huger benefit package.

Do you get 50% over what a normal salary is and an inflation adjusted retirement , after 20 years where you work?

That a company can donate to a politico that will stop the attacks on their company ,so they can survive does seem fair to me.

Trust me: It wasn't unions who invented the twenty-and-out set-up.... pensions for public employees, including the military, have a history thousands of years long.

I'd love to be there when you start telling firemen, policemen, tree trimmers, janitors, bus drivers, bus mechanics, window washers, municipal utility employees and a slew of other union members that what they do for a living isn't 'work.'

Tell me: do you get paid to get shot at? Do you get paid to climb onto the roof of a burning building and chop holes in it? When you do, then you can start complaining about how overpaid those cops and firemen are.

And other union public employees (including teachers) don't get the huge payouts and benefits you're imagining -- especially after just twenty years. If you want to stop that abuse of the system, you need to go after it where it's happening: with the non-union management types.

I don't want to destroy this thread, so this will be my last public comment on the subject. But I'm an elected union official, and I invite you to send me a PM explaining why on God's Green Earth I would try to destroy the company that I and my entire local depend on for a living.

 

[El_Guero]

that is not true, if you are living without permission on someone else's property, including an interstate, you are trespassing.

I presume in the subject case that he was paying his marina fees, or he would have no right to stand on regardless if the floating home was a vessel or a home. You can not trespass and claim that is your home so you have a right to it. there are some idiot homeless advocates who make such claims, but that does not entitle anyone to squat on private or public property.

forcing someone to maintain their home is another interesting question, many municipalities will have requirements to maintain their home and yards or get fined, there are more than a few places around here that have "lawn police". If the marina requires vessel owners to maintain their property, than they can threaten fines or eviction. It would be questionable if the rules were rather vague about that. One man's castle is another man's eyesore.

It is amazing what happens when you read what happened.

You might agree with what I wrote, instead of tilting at windmills.

 

[myark]

Trust me: It wasn't unions who invented the twenty-and-out set-up.... pensions for public employees, including the military, have a history thousands of years long.

I'd love to be there when you start telling firemen, policemen, tree trimmers, janitors, bus drivers, bus mechanics, window washers, municipal utility employees and a slew of other union members that what they do for a living isn't 'work.'

Tell me: do you get paid to get shot at? Do you get paid to climb onto the roof of a burning building and chop holes in it? When you do, then you can start complaining about how overpaid those cops and firemen are.

And other union public employees (including teachers) don't get huge payouts and benefits after twenty years. If you want to stop that abuse of the system, you need to go after it where it's happening: with the non-union management types.

I don't want to destroy this thread, so this will be my last public comment on the subject. But I'm an elected union official, and I invite you to send me a PM explaining why on God's Green Earth I would try to destroy the company that I and my entire local depend on for a living.

"I don't want to destroy this thread"

 

[El_Guero]

Home is home.

Don't ever undestimate the value of that to the home owner / resident.

And ugly is ugly.

It is one thing to ban a flag in the front yard, or Christmas lights, or decorations. These are wrong decisions.

It is quite another to expect a home, or boat, or any other semi-permanent structure to NOT be an eye-sore.

But, to each their own, there are those who feel building homes with old tires are beautiful and environmentally great ideas. But, at least earthships are usually out of sight.

 

[El_Guero]

"I don't want to destroy this thread"

Then quit posting ads for your trailer flat-boats .... It is not like I haven't seen 40 of your ads on 10 threads in the last couple of days ....

I get the idea.

You think you have the only product anyone would buy.

If that is so, you do NOT need to spam threads in order to advertise .....

IMHO. YMMV.

 

[myark]

Then quit posting ads for your trailer flat-boats .... It is not like I haven't seen 40 of your ads on 10 threads in the last couple of days ....

I get the idea.

You think you have the only product anyone would buy.

If that is so, you do NOT need to spam threads in order to advertise .....

IMHO. YMMV.

Not for sale

 

[troy2000]

It is amazing what happens when you read what happened.

You might agree with what I wrote, instead of tilting at windmills.

Here's what actually happened; the Supreme Court didn't just pull an arbitrary ruling out of its collective backside on a whim.

2006: Lozman moved his floating home to the Riviera Beach City Marina. Shortly after arriving to the marina, the city signed a deal to use its eminent domain powers to give the public marina, along with 2200 (two thousand two hundred) homes, to a private developer.

Lozman killed the redevelopment deal and the city retaliated by trying to evict him from the marina in state court. The city claimed that his 10 lb dachshund, Lady, was dangerous. Lozman, trying the case himself (pro se), won a 3-day jury trial and the eviction was denied on the grounds that it was retaliatory.

2009: City came back with another redevelopment deal for the marina, this time without the use of eminent domain, but continuing to give the public marina to a private developer. Lozman was continuing his efforts to keep the marina public when the city turned off the electricity to his floating home, returned his April rent payment, and then got Federal District Judge William Dimitrouleas to sign a maritime arrest warrant the morning of April 20, 2009 alleging that he owed a month’s rent. A few hours after the Judge signed the arrest warrant, without any notice to Lozman or right to be heard, three armed U S Marshals wearing body armor broke down the door to Lozman’s floating home, removed his firearms, refused to allow him retrieve any of his clothes or personal possessions, threatened him with arrest, and then caused his floating home to be towed 80 miles south to Miami.

And another relevant snippet:

Lozman paid property taxes and had a homestead exemption on his floating home. The State of Florida would not register it as a vessel.

I'm not surprised by any of this. I lived and worked in Florida for a couple of years, and was amazed by how highhanded and arrogant local governments could be sometimes. I saw a remodel job get shut down and sent into bankruptcy, because the local building and safety officials decreed the contractor had encroached on the home's setback from the property line by adding a new coat of stucco to the walls.

 

[El_Guero]

Myark

Quit picking fights with people. One or the other. But, your constant advertising or picking fights is getting old.

Again, IMHO & YMMV.

I disagree with Troy about his unions. And I am not trying to sell my services on this forum.

But, when you pick fights with people, I do not want to buy your products.

And I certainly get tired of all your free ads .... I keep wondering when the moderators will send you a bill ....

Out of your 187 posts, how many have furthered the threads they were in?

Again. IMHO & YMMV.

 

[myark]

Myark

Quit picking fights with people. One or the other. But, your constant advertising or picking fights is getting old.

Again, IMHO & YMMV.

I disagree with Troy about his unions. And I am not trying to sell my services on this forum.

But, when you pick fights with people, I do not want to buy your products.

And I certainly get tired of all your free ads .... I keep wondering when the moderators will send you a bill ....

Out of your 187 posts, how many have furthered the threads they were in?

Again. IMHO & YMMV.

Stop stalking me troll

 

[El_Guero]

Troy,

I hate the use of Public (Imminent) domain. Even for truly public use.

What I do not like about the ruling was the implication that if you claim something as a home, then you get special protections not available to others.

I just do not like special treatment .... Of course, if they came after my home, I would then want special treatment. Back to my original problem with his city, I do not like the use of 'public domain.'

I think public use is just that public use, not special interests.

 

[troy2000]

Troy,

I hate the use of Public (Imminent) domain. Even for truly public use.

What I do not like about the ruling was the implication that if you claim something as a home, then you get special protections not available to others.

I just do not like special treatment .... Of course, if they came after my home, I would then want special treatment. Back to my original problem with his city, I do not like the use of 'public domain.'

I think public use is just that public use, not special interests.

But he didn't claim special treatment. He was paying property taxes on his home, and he simply wanted the same legal protection that other people's homes enjoy.

Since he was paying property tax on the boat as a home, and the state of Florida refused to register it as a vessel, the city had no business claiming it was a vessel instead of a home so they could seize it.

I don't know if you noticed, but the city didn't just grab his floating home. Its original attempt to take the marina private involved seizing 2200 homes, most of which I'm sure were on dry land. He just happened to be the one homeowner with deep enough pockets to fight them.

As a general rule, I agree with you about public domain. I do think there are very limited circumstances where public domain proceedings for the public good can make sense. But taking people's property away from them and giving it to someone else just to increase revenue flow isn't one of them....

 

[troy2000]

Also, keep in mind that it really was the guy's home; he didn't just claim it was as a convenient legal ploy