Europe more dangerouse than USA? (gunshots vs terror threat)

you flatter the EU a little

 

Too much?

 

So you would nuke Saudi Arabia. Kill twenty seven million people because few terrorists came from that country?

Who would be a good guy in that scenario?

Hm. How come that US fought 30 wars after 1945 then? All in self-defense?
Are you familiar with the Project for the new American century?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ca7_P5CgSA&feature=related

US doesn’t have better friends then EU. Pity your Government didn’t listen to the wise words of the Dominique de Villepin in the UN.

 

OK, I'm not going to spend my Sunday evening bandying words with people who want to blame all the world's problems on the US, and who refuse to admit that countries, like people, are ultimately responsible for themselves and must live with the consequences of their own decisions and actions. Haiti's problems are the result of over two hundred years of misrule and mismanagement; if there had never been a United States, Haiti would still be in serious trouble today.

Obviously, the US isn't perfect. But compared to what other countries would have done with our power and our influence, and what other major powers have done in history, I don't think we've done too badly. I believe that the world overall is a better place, not a worse one, than it would have been without us. And as I've told Masrapido several times, those who spend their time flailing about and blaming the US for all the ills of the world would do better to shut up and spend some of that time and energy improving their own homes, instead of trying to tear mine down.

Not to belabor the point, and I don't think the US is singlehandedly the savior of the world, but what would the map of Europe look like today, if we hadn't been a major counterweight to the power of the Soviet Union after WW2?

I'm done now. If this is going to continue as an America-bashing thread, it's going to have to do so without me. I have better things to do, like go study the boat plans I got in the mail this week.

 

The problem is that you view constructive observations as America Bashing. I read no America Bashing in the above comments.

 

Well, I knew better than to look at this thread again. Anyone who claims the US has engaged in '45 wars' since World War Two is bashing. Either that or he has his own dictionary, in which the definition of 'war' is whatever he wants it to be.

When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
--Lewis Carroll, Through The Looking Glass

Blaming the US for everything that's wrong with Haiti hardly qualifies as 'constructive criticism,' either. Unless you're looking in that same dictionary....

 

I don’t think that US is responsible for all the world problems. It is for some. Of course, there is plenty of guilt to go around to others, including European countries, especially during our Imperial times. I’m first to admit that.

I do not want to tear your country down, on the contrary, I wish you all the best.

I, (and many other Europeans), think that last years, your Government got on the wrong course, for your own good, ours and rest of the world.

After Soviet Union dissolved itself and cold war stopped ending decades of unfortunate wasting of resources and people, we all had historical chance to rebuild international relations in more peaceful and creative way, get peace dividend and bring some progress to all.

Instead of that, our elites, (mainly US, partly European as well), drunk from success, got too arrogant and greedy and went for the total conquest of the world. Following geopolitical visions of people such as Zbigniew Brzezinski they thought they can force their terms on everyone by the military force, and treat of the war. Diplomacy became something sissy, something for the weak. We didn’t needed to negotiate when we have bombers.

But such politics have a price. It is not in the interest of the common citizen. It benefits only very few.

It is still not too late to change.

On the private level, yes, few things are so pleasurable as studying boat plans. Enjoy your plans! Sharpies?

 

It even had a name...The New World Order

 

I sad 30 wars after 1945, not 45 wars.

But, aside from the number, you do have a point, I should be more precise.
In many of these conflicts it didn’t come to the full blown war from US side, involving US Army fighting in big numbers on the ground, but instead of that, various covert operations, assassinations, diversions, arming and training and such ... (It wasn’t war for the US but it was a very much war for those on the receiving end).

So, I should say “… US was involved in about 30 wars…”, instead of “…. fought 30 wars…“.

 

I'm ready to go isolationist again. Good luck, rest of world!

 

Are you accusing Saudi Arabia of being a terrorist state?

 

Yes, we are responsible for spreading Liberty. That is a problem to some. Soviet Union bankrupted itself just as Obama is trying to force us to do. We are going to change. Watch our election tomorrow. I think you will be amazed at the change.

 

So am I.

 

No, I don't.

 

spreadin liberty in the form of western democracy only works in western europe, as during the liberation of europe during WW2. but trying to spread a western style democracy into a thousands of year old middle eastern state is actually just as bad as if someone would force sharia laws upon you. granted, the majority of citizens in afghanistan/iraq wants a democracy, but in their own way. trying to push it down their throats won't make it go faster. it's like trying to move a displacement hull faster than it's maximum speed.

and that soviet - Obama thing... would you care to explain?