Dutch barges

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by dskira, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. dreamer
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    dreamer Soñadora

    how old are you two? :confused:

    cripes
     
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    Guest62110524 Previous Member

    sorry dreamer really, I sent the guy a pm, and he chose to air it here i apologise
     
  3. dreamer
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    dreamer Soñadora

    ok. well, maybe you can make up for it by posting some more Dutch Hotties. ;)
     
  4. Guest62110524

    Guest62110524 Previous Member

    i am a great fan of Dutch building, they and the Germans have been the best at metal for yonks I do the Ijmuiden show last three years, trying to find out what'll sell in Europe I dont have any pics:)
     
  5. susho
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  6. apex1

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    Shat hippens!
     
  7. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    You are stalking Stuart! Writing offending mails with the comment "private message" does´nt mean the people have any obligation to KEEP it private!
    You´ll soon see a official reply on that last action!
     
  8. dreamer
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    dreamer Soñadora

    woah! :eek:
     
  9. brian eiland
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    brian eiland Senior Member

    I think there is more wind there than first meets the eye. We may be looking at the back side of those wavelets which is always deceiving in photos. Besides as the wind starts to build, the disturbed water lags behind.

    That's a fairly tall rig on a boat with no keel and little to no ballast....just flat bottomed, beamy, and leeboards, right?
     
  10. dskira

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    Brian take a look at my post number 5. It is of course an assumption.
    When I sailed these barges, beside the natural weight of the barges, the ballast on the bilge was quite close to 30 to 40% on some.
    The wooden one used more inside ballast that the steel one.
    They are quite apt to capsize, but mostly on racing configuration. the owner's ego are higher that for the Amrica's cup:D Winning at all cost is the moto.
    When cruising with a good crew you can take a beatting, and they react quite well. Gave them a little angle of heel and they can go like a train.
    The secret is on the mass. Yes they have leeboard.
    Cheers
    Daniel
     
  11. apex1

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    They needed the tall rig to catch some wind behind the dijk´s on Dutch canals. And although some look like a weekend hut on the water (and are very comfortable liveaboards), some can sail circles around several plastic designs.
     
  12. susho
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    The one capsizing on the pic weighs 42 tonnes(42000 kgs)
    And thats the empty weight. They where sometimes loaded till the water was on the deck.
    The gouverning body(SKS) tries to keep them all as original as possible.
    but they always find loopholes. (In the 80's one has put carbon in his mast, 10 years ago there was a steel wire in a mast, 4 years ago they modified the bottom of one slightly, etc ) And you have to be a relative to someone who has sailed these boats for a job, or be a captain yourself. So allmost everyone here knows the skippers. In this series 12 villages have their own skutsje. Within 2 weeks they sail in every village. It's a great formula to bring spectators to sailing :D
     
  13. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    Did the boat with the mast awash right it self , or capsize?

    FF
     
  14. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    May I inform you peers, that the thread opener Daniel Skira decided to quit his membership on this Forum!

    Repeated personal attacks by some of our well known drivel and destruction experts, made him decide to leave.

    We have lost a well respected NA with a sensible hand for drawing classical beauties.

    A man of good temper and a sense for harmony and nice behaviour.

    It is a pity that such people are pissed off here by two or three internet rowdies.

    Regards
    Richard
     

  15. dreamer
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    dreamer Soñadora

    that is too bad :(


    I've been a member since '04 and have noticed more trolls in the past couple of years.

    Seems to be happening across the board on a lot of boards I'm on. In fact, on one board I frequented, the originator quit and started another forum. Two years later and the trolls are starting to show up.
     
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