Doomsday boat.

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  1. Milehog
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    Just one of the reasons I like foreign (non USA) films.
     
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    Just as there are propane fridges , there are also kerosene versions.

    Like a Primus "kerosene" stove they will operate on diesel.

    Mechanical driven "cold plate "would also work for storing fish and game.

    A small Off Grid style freezer will operate from a couple of solar cells.

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    So true. Producers know that people feel trapped by the problems of life, so, to exploit and profit from those widespread feelings of despair and lack of power, most Hollywood Formula(tm) movies show clever handsome/sexy people doing wildly improbable and blatantly impossible things without disturbing their makeup. The unofficial motto at the top SFX shop I worked in for a year and a half was 'we lie for a living', meaning we make the impossible possible and even normal with our flying saucers and exploding pirate ships that heroes always survive the blast wave resulting therefrom... without actually having their intestines extruded from their orifices, like real blast victims. But we do such a good job, people who have no real experience in what they see on screen, accept it as 'true' on a very deep emotional level that makes the movie work, but skews their reality a lot.
    The problem, as has been pointed out above, is millions of weakly educated people with a vast lack of real skills that don't involve a keyboard or a fast food drive through, but plenty of fantasy ideas about the real world that have no bearing on reality, courtesy of the industry I am still part of. The last Indiana Jones movie was an example with him surviving a nuke blast by climbing in a refrigerator. I remember filming that shot as part of the model team on the scale 'suburban town' and the elaborate pyro, timed collapses, blast fans and other effects that had to be timed perfectly to give the illusion of a nuke blast on suburban streets and homes was very convincing on screen. But if you were actually there in the real world, you'd be extremely dead. Same for most other 'survival' stuff, all gizmos and mechanical solutions instead of attitude change, where a bark shelter you can keep above freezing is a palace, and a fresh squirrel you caught with fish hooks a meal for a king.
    A common 20th century 'survival' tool observed by an archaeologist among shepherds in the Spanish mountains was a very fine net, with about a 2 1/2" or 3" mesh, and stretching maybe 2 feet by 8. This was hung loosely between low bushes early in the morning and ground foraging small birds were driven towards it. Their pattern of short flights close to the ground soon put half a dozen or so in the net, helpless. These were put, alive, in a pocket as the man herded sheep until noon, when their heads were pinched off, bodies flipped inside out to get the skin off, and entire bodies dropped in the soup on the campfire.
    Interestingly, 5000 years ago, a guy in the mountains used the same thing.
    http://www.iceman.it/en/node/284
    Maybe some old herring gillnet is a good thing to have. Great trading stock for sure.
    As others have pointed out here, the closer you live your usual life to a modest and close to nature level, the easier the transition to social collapse would be.
    Hopefully not to this level.
    http://www.iceman.it/en/oetzi-the-iceman
    Personally, the more we educate those around us to what really counts on this survival boat we share called Earth, the less likely the various scenarios may become. We would hope.
     
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    Great comments Mr B.

    Sharing and co-operation is the key alright. The only glitch in the scheme is that those meadows and woods with the wildlife are now suburbs and roads - many of the 'easy natural living' areas are now 'developed'.

    Even the simple folk along the coats of say Somalia, and the Pacific Islands cant get enough fish as the big trawlers come and take it all.
     
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    OTOH you and I know where there's an awful lot of salmon....

    I've been meaning to get a graball net. 5 years of working in fisheries research back in the early 80's permanently cured me of fishing with a line.

    PDW
     
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    I thing some American guy

    already stay at sea for 1152 days (Reid Stowe) without all "laughable ' things you ask, and of course mercury in fish and we still eating it , tuna, and smaller.
    For the watermaker , sometimes it rain and you could have a more simple process just for drink
     
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    For the time needed for cuting the wood

    we can answer 45 mn each day (depending if the saw is in good shape and if the wood have not too much humudity):(
    We stay few weeks betwen - 15° and -20°.
    From the deck it is quiet easy to broke the ice around the boat , not for don't get pressed but for the temperature off the alloy at waterline it is better when just in contact with water (aroud 0°) than when the contact is with 25 cm ice at -20°.(around the boat it means 11m2 and this surface X by the gap betwen water temp. and ice temp. it make a big difference inside)
    With my poor english it is not very clear :confused:
     
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    In Scandanavia, I believe the tradition with wooden vessels is to stuff birch branches all around the boat as the water freezes, cramming as much foliage as you can into the interface between the ice and the hull until all is frozen solid.
    This greatly cushions the ice pressure, lessens any abrasion, and offers some insulation.
     
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    Yes I saw that

    at this adress : www.haraldpaul.com

    They pass one winter in Labrador
     
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    Totally agree, it's the nuts out there, the home grown types that concern me as well. I'd say it could start with a spark and other groups could soon join in, thinking they can re-live some fictional movie about roving gangs.....like Waterworld.

    I think there may be in some comfort on larger lakes and river systems, maybe the swamps were there would be fresh water, fish and game. I doubt most along the shores would be after you, don't know, but I'm not sitting out in the middle of the Atlantic either.

    Missed you guys.....LOL :p
     
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    An extremely funny thread...I laughed so much. In case of an apocalypse (a very Evangelical and American fear: Atheists, Catholics, Buddhists, Muslims and others are not very concerned by the thing).
    Very curious this fear of end of world and of the other perceived as menacing aliens, (like in the Cold War with the atomic bomb and the Martians) plus the absolute need to be armed like a Rambo.
    That reminds the end of the Roman Empire with the apparition of end-of-the world religions.
     
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  13. Boston

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    Nah, our house is already armed to the teeth, and Rambo didn't have a quad 50. Although I bet he would have love to.

    I wonder if I could mount one of those on the roof without anyone noticing ;-)

    Glad your enjoying it though.
     
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    The Smokers in Waterworld had the quad .50 and look where it got them.
     

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    cool. but maybe no one told them that smoking was bad for there health ;-)
     
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