Designer responsability

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by kistinie, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    When refitting WINGOVER, after studying all options, i decided to go for an electric solution.

    Then i decided to explain why and how it is technically possible today to use alternative energy solutions.

    I was searching for technical comments to see if my design was solid.
    And it was.

    Real honest technical answers were rare.

    Here are all the comments i received with Rep quoted -84 today.

    [​IMG] Controllable Pitch... 01-13-2010 08:53 PM more nonsense [​IMG] overpowering a sailboat 01-09-2010 03:58 AM you talk rubbish [​IMG] Controllable Pitch... 01-08-2010 06:02 PM Fore the APE, you know! [​IMG] overpowering a sailboat 01-08-2010 04:32 PM Why is is it so rare for you to offer what resembles a literate, informed answer Kistinie? Did you actually say anything meaningful here? [​IMG] Controllable Pitch... 01-08-2010 12:05 PM GO AWAY [​IMG] Favorite rough weather... 01-05-2010 09:20 AM Thanks for posting Spectra. RHough [​IMG] The Controllable Pitch... 01-03-2010 02:43 PM wrong [​IMG] Controllable Pitch... 01-02-2010 08:12 PM You are, and remain to be, the best joke on the Forum! [​IMG] Gas from Water,... 01-01-2010 03:44 AM
    [​IMG] Gas from Water,... 12-31-2009 07:08 PM Is it so hard for people to exchange ideas without childish name calling? [​IMG] Gas from Water,... 12-31-2009 02:19 AM Pointless, naive, misinformed, lacks the knowledge to discuss the science. Useless waste of time. [​IMG] Gas from Water,... 12-24-2009 01:40 PM Hi Girlie!!! Richard [​IMG] Emission Controls -... 11-22-2009 07:56 AM past against future? [​IMG] Diesel Electric... 11-11-2009 01:27 PM Bs. [​IMG] Diesel Electric... 11-05-2009 05:21 PM MOVE TO ANOTHER FORUM

    What does the boat world, you are an important part of, think of this ?

    Is this compatible with the spirit, the moral qualities, of "boat designing", of boat world more generally ?
    Would you sail with all of them, easily ?

    If you feel like explaining me, that it was my fault or insult me again, please do it, after the tone :), but please answer one of the first questions before.
    If my contributions helped you, i will be very glad to ear it too.

    Many thanks for all the help you gave me as all answers where meaningful.
    Some more than others to mu ears, some very fun to read.
    Thanks again.
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  2. Wynand N
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    Wynand N Retired Steelboatbuilder

    kistinie, I apologize for those whom made that nasty neg remarks. Perhaps they cannot grasp what you present or you are to radical for the simple minds of some conservatives.
    Every great idea that eventually made the world go round was frown upon or laughed at when proposed...
    I believe in keeping an open mind on any and everything as genius sometimes manifests itself in strange ways.

    Perhaps I can leave you with this;

    "They laugh at you because you are different, but you laugh at them because they are all the same"
  3. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    Thank you Wynand, very sincerly.
    I am happy to read... you could have read the same in my mind, and to see by your presence here, that hopefully, you are not that much retired from boating.

    Of course my ideas can be wrong.
    So i work a lot on my project, a lot, and again as new things needs to be checked more than the known.

    I am also very happy to see your find in "laugh" the same advantages i do.

    I am sorry to have imposed you the reading of some comments and thank you for the moral help you gave me.
    Thanks for your post that reminds me how wise it is to love sea and all that goes in.

    What other responsibility does the electric boat builder needs to face ?

    Responsibility of valid prototypes.

    A cost responsibility on prototypes that have to be manufacturable at an acceptable price now, whatever the $$ that will be saved on fuel later, as it is only...later.

    Responsibility to make it well and safer than previous technology.
    Cheaper to maintain.

    What else will be needed ?
    Will all this be, enough, to have electricity accepted aboard as a propulsion mode ?
  4. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    Will all this be, enough, to have electricity accepted aboard as a propulsion mode ?


    Let me tell you my gonzo history of electricity.

    In 1899 fastest car in the world was very cleverly named

    "La jamais contente"

    And it was electric car !....

    I know this car since i am 8 years old as the museum she is in, was next door, i went with school and parents, many times to see and see again.
    I perfectly remember i was magnetize by the ugly car 100Km/h beating the time in getting the two zero before the century.

    But on another hand, was eight, was already a real man for serious things like bikes, love, war, and of course, cars.
    So if today man do not drive electric car, but sounding for more better ICE car, ICE car are definitively better, or i am no more a man.

    Whatever the technology you may bring:
    Magnets, resonance pumping, water fusion, ultrasonic, superconductor, Alliens, god

    Today, here on earth, all are 2 to 10000 better efficient than ICE.....
    Guess "whot" captain ?

    NOT USED ...

    As since 8 we all know that it cannot be for a man, and i am a man, so like you all i made all my possible to make the electricity girl, stay at home, never in a car, but for opening the doors, see in the dark, blow hot air on me, give cool drinks, hot food, phone call when i need, would be shorter to call it mother.

    So since then girl sit in the car, lowered to 1/20th of home voltage, rectified and corrected, not the slightest vibration will be accepted : 12V DC was born out of 10, 1.2V.

    We also have a long rope for hone feeding her, tight like this, she will never escape.
    She is never been to school, (until recently because of the net i was idiot enough to give her), as it would have been easier to keep her at home, if unaware of any knowledge of all these overunity OU machines of the devil !

    Electricity is "jamais contente" as she always suggest us she can do more, and a lot more when loved.
    Electricity is a real hot girl to go with. i must admit.
    I guess that you all noticed electric girl are afraid of water.
    Electricity deserves more respect if we want her to come aboard.

    What will we do for her ?
    B-Keep her in Marina
    C-Take her for a ride

    Give me a C, please.

    What will be your choice ?

    Of course now you understand why her name was "never satisfied"

    Just my 2 cents history :)
  5. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    Designer responsability is about TECH not Rep, please admin cancel what you added

    All in tittle


    "Designer responsability" as a tittle


    "Designer responsability (re: negative rep)"

    The subject is not what you have added (re: negative rep)

    Please correct my tittle back to the original

    Please understand that with such accidental coincidences on ELECTRIC PROPULSION topics you now move to the bar and change tittle is not in you favour

    You want to write for me ?
    Ask me before please.

    You want to cancel me ?
    Ask god ?

    Last subjects i opened about the technical responsibility of the designer gets messages cancelled, then topic moved here to the bar, and now tittle changed !

    Started as a technical subject
    Ended drunk at the bar
    Next step is toilet.

    Where is the boat design's server, in Birmania ?
    So this is...

    An interrogation about moral foundations of the place

    Are you happy with that ?

    Careful soon you could be in camps, if you do not wake up.
    It only seems impossible... before you get in, used to say my grand mother.

    All my apologies for not remaining calm to such behaviour.
    I'll try to make it better next time !
  6. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Unfortunately you missed every single time, to prove you are right! The existance of Electric cars prove you´re right???

    Only barefaced comments on critical response, and wild claims have been the "explanation" you provided. And hundreds of links to esoteric and philosophic content.

    What do you expect from us professionals? That we make your wild dreams come true?

    Biogas from **** on a yacht? (as the main power source)
    Electric propulsion and el. regeneration with the same propeller?
    Water injection on marine diesel engines?
    HHO as a valid alternative energy source?

    The list is endless.........

    You pulled out your reliable and lightweight Yanmars, and asked how to replace them with a electric propulsion / regeneration system to save weight!?

    You did not like the answer, of course.

    Claiming that we are all unwilling and unable to think in modern times and technology is nothing but barefaced and idiotic.
    We build, design, restore, produce and operate boats and yachts to the highest standards known today.
    And all of us are very interested in saving weight, money, labour, maintenance cost.


    While YOU ARE DREAMING................

    Do´nt blame us for your ignorance, incompetence and idioty!:!:


    sorry, you barked up the wrong tree here! -84 rep points is about what he deserves, better -200.

  7. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    And what about the thread sent to the bar with tittle modified by the admin to make it look like a personal dispute ?

    We see the wires of the puppet...Site owner or a delegate admin here is not clean..
    useless all is cached ;-))
  8. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Any attempt to some sort of serious discussion with you is senseless!

    conspiracy, suppression, mafia methods, all are working hand in hand to hinder your brilliant developments.

    Obviously you are not from this world, so, why do´nt you go back?
  9. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    >>>>>>>>I'll try to make it better next time !<<<<<<

    better not, NO next time please........................
  10. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    I would, if i could, but sadly...My spaceship is on repair for energy change and some rotten wood to replace.
    My friends and i are working hard on it in order to be ready to go ASAP.
    Do not worry.

    I understand your position and respect it.
    You prefer to follow, the stream, this is very respectable.
    I do it differently, please be kind enough to let me breath and write my opinion about facts of today's physics.
    Please contest the facts, not me.
    Thank you.
  11. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    You said please !

    Why not ?
    Are there any good reasons for accepting your demand ?
    For the moment i see just very bad ones.
  12. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    I do´nt follow the stream boy, I am setting the pace!

    Since 11 years I install bus systems!
    Since about 15 years I install the most sophisticated El. management systems on the market!
    Since over 30 years I install Controllable Pitch Propellers.

    Since the mid 70ies I operated Diesel Electric Icebreakers.
    Since the 80ies I owned several "battery" yachts instead of "genny" yachts.

    In contrast to you, I know what I am talking.

    You provide premature dreams instead, and you get upset when we do´nt let them pass critical inspection.

  13. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    A good new ideas is only respectable after 30 years of industrialisation !
    So until industry is leading a subject, the subject made by new comers cannot work.

    Very clear.
    But pray for equity of industry, as if it decides to stop progress... you wait.
    You like waiting ?
    I do not

    To lighten the ambiance, you will be glad to know snow has melted.
    I can return playing with my toys, i let you work seriously.
  14. G8R
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    G8R turd

    kistinie, I hope you don’t let others alter your goals, if what you think is true then pursue it. Prove it in real terms and then you will prove it to others. You have great ideas, make them real. The world needs more people that say “what if”. This group is tough, there are some that will listen and question, and some that will accept, but not all will agree, and some just look for sport or a new piece of meat. Just remember the Wright brothers, they were told “that won’t work” and sure enough the first flight didn’t, but they adapted a few changes and now we have gone to where no man has gone before.

    As Wynand N quoted

    "They laugh at you because you are different, but you laugh at them because they are all the same"

  15. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Well, "turd" hits the nail.............

    and Wynands irony obviously did not travel in every brain... further comment.
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