Annode.
NA, I mean NA for something bigger than a dinghy or a coastal small sailboat, is a job with lots a theoretical stuff to learn, a few thousands of pages of regulations to read and to understand plus some ability for maths. After a few years of working in a NA office is a must. Idem for a NE. That ask for studies in some university or institutions.
Your very naive questions and your answers specially to Ad Hoc or TANSL show your ignorance in this matter. Ignorance does not mean stupidity, simply it means that you have not enough knowledge in the boat design field, and even less in structural calculations.
All that shows that you are unable to make detailed structural calculations for a boat, or to consult similar plans or to visit in detail similar boats in shipyards. So you're looking desperately for scantlings.
Your question is also incomplete. What is the use of the planned boat? Because I smell that will take passengers, as nobody makes a DIY personal family boat of this size. Almost surely it's out of your league, you will need the services of a NA, and you'll be obliged to respect the rules, all the rules and there are many, if you want to exploit the boat at least in first and second world countries.
You're in UK so even for yachts you have to respect a big bunch of rules. If you want to insure you need a design following the rules plus a survey by a class society like the DNV, the Veritas or other. If you want to sell it with some value over the price of crap, you have to respect strictly the regulations.
Over 24 m, all boats are submitted to at least some rules even for personal use. If you want to make charter you'll enter into the IMO rules and all the UK, European and so on regulations for commercial boats.
Class rules are not for making overkill scantlings, they are for safety after many years of analysis of disasters or simply observation of deformations and a lot of broken material.
Nobody with a working brain and common sense in this forum will give ciphers and scantlings. At fortiori without plans and a bunch of details and data. It's not greediness or wickedness it's elementary caution.
And if you want to learn only for the beauty of learning, for your personal pleasure, sorry to have to learn boat structural calculations and to read thousands of pages.
Annode.
NA, I mean NA for something bigger than a dinghy or a coastal small sailboat, is a job with lots a theoretical stuff to learn, a few thousands of pages of regulations to read and to understand plus some ability for maths. After a few years of working in a NA office is a must. Idem for a NE. That ask for studies in some university or institutions.
Your very naive questions and your answers specially to Ad Hoc or TANSL show your ignorance in this matter. Ignorance does not mean stupidity, simply it means that you have not enough knowledge in the boat design field, and even less in structural calculations.
All that shows that you are unable to make detailed structural calculations for a boat, or to consult similar plans or to visit in detail similar boats in shipyards. So you're looking desperately for scantlings.
Your question is also incomplete. What is the use of the planned boat? Because I smell that will take passengers, as nobody makes a DIY personal family boat of this size. Almost surely it's out of your league, you will need the services of a NA, and you'll be obliged to respect the rules, all the rules and there are many, if you want to exploit the boat at least in first and second world countries.
You're in UK so even for yachts you have to respect a big bunch of rules. If you want to insure you need a design following the rules plus a survey by a class society like the DNV, the Veritas or other. If you want to sell it with some value over the price of crap, you have to respect strictly the regulations.
Over 24 m, all boats are submitted to at least some rules even for personal use. If you want to make charter you'll enter into the IMO rules and all the UK, European and so on regulations for commercial boats.
Class rules are not for making overkill scantlings, they are for safety after many years of analysis of disasters or simply observation of deformations and a lot of broken material.
Nobody with a working brain and common sense in this forum will give ciphers and scantlings. At fortiori without plans and a bunch of details and data. It's not greediness or wickedness it's elementary caution.
And if you want to learn only for the beauty of learning, for your personal pleasure, sorry to have to learn boat structural calculations and to read thousands of pages.
>NA for something bigger than a dinghy or a coastal small sailboat, is a job with lots a theoretical stuff to learn,
Perhaps you missed the part about first approximation?
>after a few years of working in a NA office is a must.
Luckily the world has progressed since the days when you paid your dues in a office
>Your very naive questions and your answers specially to Ad Hoc
My questions are appropriate. Ad Hov is condescending, arrogant and rude. Every one of his "replies" wastes my time, like this reply, in dealing with the endless attempts to reframe my question such that there is one answer and one answer only... HIRE AN NA!
>If you want to sell it with some value over the price of crap,
Now you conlfate any design that does not use NA with crap. Nice. Another condescending judgement based on arrogance. This says more about you than me sir
>If you want to insure you need a design following the rules plus a survey by a class society like the DNV,
Off topic. Not relevant. lready handled
>Over 24 m, all boats are submitted to at least some rules even for personal use.
In first world countries
>You're in UK s
wrong
>you will need the services of a NA
If they are as obnoxious as this, I would rather sink thx
>if you want to exploit the boat at least in first and second world countries.
nope
>Class rules are not for making overkill scantlings, they are for safety after many years of analysis of disasters
Well its interesting that you imply anything built without an NA will sink, because one of these "propeerly designed" boats sinks EVERY FOUR DAYS
>If you want to make charter you'
nope
>Nobody with a working brain and common sense
Ooooh you are nasty
>At fortiori without plans and a bunch of details and data
COMPUTER ding ding ding
>sorry to have to learn boat structural calculations
COMPUTER
Another condescending reply that tells me nothing and wasted 10mins of my life with your negative rhetoric.
PLEASE DONT RESPOND TO ANY MORE OF MY THREADS OK
I have better things to do than deal with luddites
