Dealing with pirates

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by dave L, Nov 22, 2004.

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  1. safewalrus
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    safewalrus Ancient Marriner

    Single shot is more dangerous than none at all, unless you have several and a dedicated, efficient reloader. As Well as a boat driver!!:(

    better pump action shotgun (X 2) lots of plug and large shot (#2) well hidden! Drop a bouy before entering harbour, recover on departure, no markings, no liability! If you have to use it leave it with the sunken pirate (he's dead - NO SURVIVORS, remember, non whatsoever [ this includes your own crew if they are unreliable! why are you taking unreliable crew into bandit country?):cool:

    Get new weapons elsewhere!:cool:

    Remember to prosecute there has to be proof, no records, no proof - hide the bloody camera!:cool: :D
     
  2. seadogs20
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    well good luck to you all who want to carry arms on board, it's your funeral.
     
  3. saeble
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    well if nothing else, the open ocean is one of this worlds last best open shooting and skeeting ranges, if its the guns you like as much as defending yourself from any particular sea faring nefarian
     
  4. saeble
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    one little techincality here, unless you are using a rifled slug in your shotgun, or using a rifled barrel, or some other form of firearm which actively engages the projectile, ( and hence marks it for later identification), there's little chance of any forensic ballistics linking your gun to a dead pirate. The only slight risk is identification from firing pin(gun)/primer(shell) matchup, though if you make sure you collect your hulls, problem solved.

    Buckshot tells no ballistic tales.

    As far as good marine shotguns go, the Nova H20 by Benellli is the go. Stainless and synthetics and highly resistant to salt water. (no commercial interest here )
     
  5. safewalrus
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    One other technicality, if reports of 'pirates' being shot up coast then the mere fact you have a gun will be enough to get you 'banged up' (no pun intended) especially if the 'arresting officer' is the brother of the 'pirate'. so smart arse dump the bloody gun, then there's little chance of being blamed is there? 'course if some daft bugger comes in behind you with a 'smart' attitude he'll get clobbered which is even better for you!

    It's a 'rat race' and a naughty world your entering into matey!!

    Your good point, yep I like the gun it's ideal - if expensive, better hope you don't need to use it, but if you do I'd be interested to see how you collect your used 'shells' (good swimmer?)
     
  6. longliner45
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    its because we are free man and we dont live our lives hidding from thugs and punks...Ill go were I want when I want. if I have to deal with them Ill do it on my terms;besides they dont own any waters!
     
  7. tansails
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    Alarming prospects in Muslim waters these days of simply being killed as part of the great war against the white man. It is a shame that you cannot sail safely through many seas without arming yourself, but that is what I would do to ensure the vessel safety, reading these posts I see successfull counter attacks against well armed pirate boats that were out to kill them. No need to report such events either untill you are home !

    No matter how well armed the boats still need to come alongside to board you and I can think of several effective defensive weapons for the otherwise unarmed boat.

    Those of us that have had military training will be familiar with the scenario, seems a little strategy would win the battle even if you were outgunned.

    I suppose it comes down to whether you are prepared to fight for your rights, and fight for your property. Or risk **** torture and death with the hope that pacifisim will be treated accordingly, this often will not happen.

    Tristan jones in his Tri "Outward Leg" on a Colombian cruise armed his boat with molotov cocktails, the attack never came but he felt better for at least having the option to fight.

    The decision for battle need only be made after assessing the enemy. But if you only have determined pacifism and it becomes apparent that those machette wielding men are going to kill everyone aboard....what then ?
     
  8. safewalrus
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    safewalrus Ancient Marriner

    hide behind the big brown wall you've just made!

    Like your stance 'tansails' - bit like a boy scout - Be Prepared - which is what a lot of us are saying it's just that the great Pacifist [all of 'em] can not see reason and will not do a damn thing until they see their wives and daughters being ***** and / or worse (what is worse? other than knowing that there was a way to prevent it but the person who had this chance wouldn't use it for some stupid moral viewpoint):D
     
  9. Wellydeckhand

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    Most People over look pressurize hoze of sea water aim at prowler would giv them pirate zero visiblity and convince to go away...... unless they have a launcher ready at hand.......:D:D:D
     
  10. marshmat
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    My local police force would agree- they're talking about getting a couple of those water cannons themselves. Probably a better bet in my books than carrying loaded firearms and having to bribe port officials to do so. If they want your boat or its contents enough, though, no gun- water or lead- will stop the most dedicated professional pirates. My choice would be to always travel with another boat in such areas, and have non-lethal gear like water cannons, combustion inhibitors, etc. ready to deploy if the need arises. If you must carry a gun... well, that's out of my range.
     
  11. mcollins07
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    bear country

    No offens here, but this sounds like a strange comment to me. I guess the USA is still a gun culture even though many want to make guns illegal, because as I make an analogy to bear country, I would say that any rational person would not go hiking in bear country without take adaquate protection... at least a side arm.

    Michael
     
  12. safewalrus
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    Mike - in some cases we ain't talking rational here!

    Water cannon, yep Welly' good idea just one small problem - you need a hellof a pressure to knock pirates (or anyone else for that matter) over, you must knock em over to be any good, and for this you need a very large pump! Your average yacht wash deck pump is to small (if you have one, most people use buckets). People do not have the space nor fuel to run a pump and the main engine at the same time, this means that whilst good for the average commercial vessel it ain't so good for the average yacht! Pity in the right hands it can be very effective, as a last resort before bringing out the guns! Might even prevent the need for guns!
     
  13. BillyDoc
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    How about modifying that deck-wash pump to use diesel fuel and equip it with an igniter. It might be more effective then.

    Of course, this might work best from a metal boat . . .

    With the sails stowed as well.
     
  14. Wellydeckhand

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    Yep U are right until........

    Yeh.........Well u know what we use in INdonesia? Hot chillie sensation kinda water hose it high pressure to pirate eyes......... need say more......

    knock them out is crude......... but blind them temp. or giving them zero visibility is the way to go babe...........

    That my ways of doing it in my area of safe sea.........It work a couple of time with young urchine that try stealing live fishry ranches..........

    High pressure mean more attacking distant not knocking power. A bit of intense chillies water is wat u need...........:p:p:p
     

  15. safewalrus
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    Yeah welly good one mate! and while he's blundering around blind grab him, pull down his pants and shove a cut chilli where the sun don't shine - that'll fix him GOOD!

    BillyDoc - gasoline would be even better! whee!
     
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