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not entirely accurate
the term translated church could just as easily be translated synagogue
probably more so since the word church did not exist at the time

Jesus and the "church" of Jerusalem practiced Judaism and continued to do so despite the false teachings of Paul for about a hundred and fifty years after Jesus death
finally the Jesus group was asked to not return to the Synagogues not because they were not loyal Jews but because the Pauline Christians had become so obnoxious towards the jews

you should look up the path of the Ebonite's

remember

the early church was made up of the relatives and close followers of Jesus
these people practiced Judaism at the "church" of Jerusalem and were welcome at the temple
this church of Jerusalem became the church of the Nazarene and eventually the Ebonites
they were also the first declared heretics by the Pauline Christians

this is the same "church" that chastised Paul so many times for his false teachings and upsetting the people

 

Of course you know,

that is all just hearsay.......

Go out to the open sea,
sail your track in faith,
arrive at your port of choice,
and tell me you know god.

 

OK. Everyone now knows what I believe. I will not argue about it or abandon it. Peace.
I do feel closer to God when I see the majesty of His Creation. I wish I could get out more.

 

Religion divides people, that is not what it was supposed to do but the 'world" was not thought of in those days. It was supposed to be a kind of police where you would be afraid of the bogey man that we tell kids.

The stupid Irish fight amongst themselves blowing up each others shopping centers --one is catholoic the other is Protistant --I dont know what the difference is personally. What? just that one wears a condom they other don't? is that enough to fight for?

No religion = nothing to fight over.

The stupidity of it it is just too much to bare.

 

Religion is a convenient label but it isn't responsible for war. LOL, The commies in Russia were Godless, that didn't make them very mellow.

War is part of the human condition, at it 's most basic level it is competition for resources of one kind or another and the defense of same. Somebody is trying to get something that another considers theirs. Religion is a label used to demonize the enemy, it's the excuse not the reason. Remove religion and another rationalization will pop up.

The Irish fight not because of religion but over turf and past injury. The Protestants are the descendants of the British that crushed the Irish and took all the good stuff. The catholics are the native Irish who are pissed that the Brits took their stuff. The fight is over property, religion is the label.

 

Ok Agreed not All wars are fought over religion but a hell of a lot were.

Lets say more people have died in the name of God than anything else then?

Christians did'nt like the Coliseum very much and it was'nt just because of the interior decoration.

And yes we will fight over anything but religion has been a damn good excuse in the past , get religion out of the way means one reason less.

 

Hey. I don't look at this thread much anymore - just peak at new posts and try to help some guy now and again but here I find myself. I WILL NOT get into it with atheists about it BUT...look at what has happened to the U.S. since the Godless doctrine promoted by our government starting in the sixties. Johnson was the beginning of the end and if we don't pay attention to our modern-day Thomas Paine (Glenn Beck) we will lose her for good.
It's very easy to see a priest grope a kid or a war started over who the organ player is and conclude that "religion is bad" but I counter that the best, hardest working, closest families, greatest parts of what built this country is belief in God, Belief that Christ is the Savior. Look at a Godless teenage girl when both parents have to work (again, because of Johnson), she came home with a dong in her ear at four AM, She's pregnant before she's out of school because that is what gives her life "meaning", and the guy she marries is sittin' on the couch smokin' dope every time he's not chasin' down some other girl to sleep with. Sorry, I'll take the faults of religion - Give us back the Ten Commandments. Give us back "In God We Trust".
"THESE are the times that try men's souls."

 

Sometimes we meet on the beach we drink till about 10PM we are English German and dutch and one American, we are all atheists except one.

Ok the Septic is not a bad guy and he keeps his believes quiet but he is the American.

Its ok not a prob. I honestly don't know one English person who believes in God but we are a small tight Knit country.

 

Frosty are you sure you asked all your English friend that question? I have a lot of friend, I never ever asked them: Do you beleive in God?
And I don't care if they beleive in God or not. It is personal.
Frosty make a survey within your friend, you will be perhaps for a surprise.
Daniel

 

Thats what I just said, I don't know 1 English person that believes in god.

You Americans love it

If you never asked your friends ask them!!

 

What I find fascinating is that the most aggressive of the North American christian community seem to come from the right-wing conservative movement, the same crowd that supports the scraps in the Middle East. To each his/her own, I guess, though how the "praise the Lord & pass the ammunition" crowd figures themselves to be true Christians, is beyond me. As I understand it, Christians are those who endeavour to walk Christ's path. Still, from what I've read, Christ was a socialist & pacifist, sort of a jewish Ghandi. Don't think he(Christ) was much of a boatbuilder or designer, though. Now Noah...

 

The Jews tried that way of being peaceful and it did not work. Now, most sane goverments would not try that again against them. That is why Iran is playine with much more then fire.

 

ah the disinformation of the church is alive and well

Christianity is actually a conglomeration of pagan mythologies first invented by a guy named Paul
ritual cannibalism, belief in a risen god, three days in the underworld, all taken directly from the Sumarian mythos
virgin birth is Zoroastrian if I remember in origin
most holidays are pagan with a different name
even Christmas is a relatively recent addition specifically designed to thwart openly pagan beliefs
there is hardly a christian belief that is not rooted in pagan history rather than Judaic
oh there are a few but not many
sabbath being one

Jesus was undoubtedly Jewish, Practiced Judaism, was a respected Rabi, his followers were welcome in the temple and his relatives continued in there Jewish faith

the Jews were not really all that peaceful actually forcing the Egyptians to build a series of fortifications along the border of Canan to keep raiding parties of Hyksos (Jews) out

long story but if you want I can explain in detail why Paul was the first Church charlatan who basically absconded with what Jesus really was teaching for his own personal gain

Jesus taught both national and individual atonement from a traditional Pharisaic point of view and preached the messianic age from a political point of view. There are two major components of his work, political and religious, people often forget the political aspect of his history

Paul has a goal of self advancement and takes advantage of the absence of Jesus to invent a position for himself as a defacto leader and being constantly punished and abandoned by the disciples who disagree with him almost universally

if Paul were alive today he would be found out in a heartbeat and be held for fraud

if Jesus were alive today my bet is he and the Dali Lama would be best of friends

 

I will

 

I find a faith in some form of spirituality to be almost universal
most folks believe in something or other round here
true atheists are a rarity
Im ok with it dont get me wrong but its rare