Crab claw sails evolving to rectangular shape

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  1. Will Gilmore
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    That much I knew, but what is the sliding gunter's top spar called? Is it properly referred to as a gunter or is it a gaff or is it a yard? Are there non-sliding gunters?
     
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    Terminology has to do with the rigs origin. A gunter for example is a four sided sail and has a yard, because it originated from the standing lug. Gunters are sliding or folding, depending on how the yard is attached to the mast.

    The Malibu Outrigger rig is an adaptation of the oceanic lateen, and it's upper spar is a yard.
     
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    So, "shoot me!" My rig does not exist. Yet
    Tis a gaff rig on my boat Gnarly.
    Like the former lazy POTUS and wacked advisers, who play games with what we see happened and do not play games. Oaths are to be held dear.

    The rig is what it is: a gaff rig!
    But then, as a local (Capt Norb) says, some dodgers suffer from extremes, have a view and will not succumb...

    This dodger must agree! Evidence counts. If it walks like a duck, makes duck sounds, flies etc, then it is likely a duck.

    And, then there is the "Razor!" Given a number of alternatives, the simplest is most likely the correct choice - (William of Occham)
    Or maybe it was POTUS?
    Sorry, I just cannot abide any notion that is "alternate facts." But, that is me.
     
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    Gunter sails are triangular with a step in the luff to fit around the gunter.
     
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    Rumars
     
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    Rumars, makes sense to me;; though I might still call Gnarly rig a "gaff"...if out of habit only and it fits, having same lead letter...sort of alliteration-like.
    Did not give the item much thought per my varied source, which agree with your logic. Love it. Much appreciated is your comment, I might add.
     
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    And, might just tick me fancy if the future held high soft "crab claws," and those pesky scow hulls with sharp edges (chines). Iconoclast that I are...We never seem to learn...
     
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    Been watching a lot of YouTube videos of proas.

    I have to admit there is a certain elegance to them.

    With no fixed mast and all stone-age materials, they seem quite seaworthy. Probably one of the best boats to have when having to launch through a surf. The long lever arm of the cross-beams and the weight of the float seem to make it very hard for a wave of ordinary size to flip it.

    As much as I have looked, I haven't been able find any videos of single-outriggers that are not proas (that don't shunt).
     
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    First of all, "proa" simply means "boat." Some shunt some do not...like my MO or any MO.
    Secondly, it is understandable one can have a bias, which narrows one's view. I, for example, believe my rig is as explained above (a gaffer) and a tacking proa.
     
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    Google videos for "sailing outrigger canoe". If you want traditional ones, the tackers were in Hawaii and Tahiti.
     
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    It's a gaff...I happened to pull down a book on sails and spied a pic showing a gaff on a schooner...so, is the shape of the sail the main view, the spar cofig, or, where the rig is located...poor Seaman, designed a sail completely unclassified. Sniffle, sniffle..as someone noted, no such thing as a triangular gaff sail....
     
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    Dude, let it go. At least post what the book is to back your claim.
     
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    I forgot to mention, @ Sharpii2 Thanks! For the reference and your text is now very spendy, indeed, but the search continues. Supply/demand...I know, but have located some rare ones as libraries skim. I have now a CD that I bought for 10 $coots that is now 70...CDs, books, plans all are so fragile in time.
     
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    BobBill, please stop hijacking this thread. It is about the evolution of crab claw sails.
    Thanks
     

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    Gonzo, you are right, I keep forgetting. Sorry.

    Just sticks in head and dug out some dusty texts which were open on divan...forgot the topic is crab claws.

    Mea Culpa.
     
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