Costa Concordia, 80 deg list, really scary !!

Discussion in 'Stability' started by smartbight, Jan 15, 2012.

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  1. Heiwa
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    Heiwa Naval architect

    When did you fulfill what? Pls do not troll this thread!
     
  2. El_Guero

    El_Guero Previous Member

    You gave me an engineering challenge.

    I fulfilled, now pay up the money, and I will tell everyone how great and smart you and your friends are.

    You would not back out on the money and make yourself look like a troll would you?

    You do want to keep your friend don't you?
     
  3. Heiwa
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    Heiwa Naval architect

    What I think I describe on my very popular web site.

    The drug smuggling suggestion (by some Russians) (Barcelona to Civittavecchio to avoid France) is mentioned. The non-Italian crew was badly paid and maybe needed some extra cash? Who knows. Crew came and went and the Master just had to accept what crew showed up. The Master didn't even know that the helmsman didn't speak Italian (the working language) nor proper English. Evidently the ship was not seaworthy ... but it was not the fault of the Master. Maritime authorities and the ship-owner should have stopped the stupidities earlier and shaped up.
     
  4. Heiwa
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    Heiwa Naval architect

    What are you trolling about. What did you fulfill? When, where, how?

    Many persons have failed my engineering challenges but I have never seen your attempt. Pls resend your calculations/evidence via proper channels where receipt is provided, etc, etc. but do not troll here.
     
  5. ancient kayaker
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    ancient kayaker aka Terry Haines

    OK children, cut it out before Teacher comes back . . .
     
  6. FMS
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    FMS Senior Member

    Exactly.
     
  7. dskira

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    Beware, when someone make this kind of statement about is own web site which is lost in the stratosphere, very often show delusional thought and pathetic rambling. :p
     
  8. Heiwa
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    Heiwa Naval architect

    Well, 2401 persons visited my site on 16 September to read about what happens when you parbuckle a fully loaded and quite heavy ship on a rocky, uneven seafloor up right and learnt that reaction forces during rotation crush and fracture the not very strong bilge/bottom structure 25 meters below water surface, so that later re-floating and towing become impossible or dangerous. It is not a pathetic rambling delusion but an opinion based on sound facts. I am quite happy to have such a large audience.

    To successfully parbuckle any ship you evidently have to remove all cargo and unnecessary weights in order not the destroy the ship's hull under its own weight while rotating it.
     
  9. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    Everyone has the right of his own numbers thought and opinions.
    Doesn't mean they are right.
    You express your thoughts like a preacher, "I am right, everyone is wrong"
    Mostly when you blast the recovery system saying that with your system it will have been faster and cheaper.
    And they make it long and expensive on purpose.
    It is not a professional attitude by far, it is a amateurish delusional renting.
    I doubt very much of your credentials.
     
  10. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    You are a siko. Get back to your psysh ward, you are not funny.
     
  11. Heiwa
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    Heiwa Naval architect

    @dskira
    Evidently structures do not collapse from weak top down through strong bottom. No, like in unprofessional parbuckling demonstrated at Isola del Giglio the CC structure collapsed from bottom up - underwater of course. That is basic damage structural analysis.

    The simplest way to get rid of the Costa Concordia wreck would probably have been to cut off and remove all parts above water using a crane, put them on barges and ship them off somewhere. The underwater part could then have been cut/sawn apart underwater in suitable pieces, lifted on barges and also shipped away somewhere.

    Evidently I can be wrong. Nobody is perfect. But usually I am right. But opinions are just ideas to support decision makers and happily I do not salvage wrecks, which seems to be a very boring job by beach combers. More fun is to improve safety at sea. From top down!
     
  12. dskira

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    Oh yes you are.
    Your idea will have been ten time more expensive, much more time consuming, very polluting, dangerous, and not allowed by international standard. You can't chop a boat in a pristine part of the Mediterranean sea. You have to be on a controlled environment to do that, or to go to India.
    The best salvage company in the world designed every possible scenarios, then came with this one.
    You by yourself without any experience in salvage conclude they were wrong.
    Everybody wrong but you. When you said "I can be wrong" after a litany of writing gibberish it is just to reinforce your superiority. You don't belive one bit you can be wrong.
     
  13. El_Guero

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    Dskira

    Please do not feed my friend, the troll. Heiwa has no engineering successes .... Otherwise simple engineering would not allude him.

    We did simpler problems in Calculus II classes.

    He just has a few problems, paying what he owes is one, understanding simple Naval Architecture is another.

    Wayne
     
  14. El_Guero

    El_Guero Previous Member

    PS, the Concordia has not fallen apart, despite his FEW viewers feeding his ego.
     

  15. Heiwa
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    Heiwa Naval architect

    Yes, you are right I am right.

    My proposal was simply to lift the wreck using pontoons - very environmental friendly, quick and economical - and shift it to another location.

    But luckily I am not a beachcomber picked up by the salvage company and presented as an expert salvage engineer.

    This parbuckling rotation evidently destroyed the starboard bilge of the wreck and I assume the bottom structure of the wreck is now fractured. Didn't you hear it? OK, it all took place 25 meters below water crushing the coral reef! It is simple underwater naval architecture! Never rotate a fully loaded wreck on a rocky sea floor.

    Now the beach combers will attach 19 big buoyancy tanks to the port and starboard sides of the wreck 10-20 meters below water.

    Does anybody know how to attach a big 2 500 m3 buoyancy tank (10x10x25 meters?) of steel to a damaged wreck underwater? Has it ever been done before?

    To me it sounds crazy. Stupid! Impossible. Only beach combers could come up with such folly. Luckily I am just a clever, intelligent observer giving free advice to promote my real job - safety at sea.
     
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