Costa Concordia, 80 deg list, really scary !!

Discussion in 'Stability' started by smartbight, Jan 15, 2012.

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  1. Mr Efficiency
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    So what is to become of this ship if she is righted and refloated ? My money is on a name change before it plies for profit again.
     
  2. smartbight
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    Refloating the ship off the reef start on Monday !

    Raise the Costa Concordia: 12 hours, 500 engineers and 18,000 tonnes of cement... how cruise liner will be lifted in most expensive maritime salvage operation in history

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xpensive-maritime-salvage-operation-ever.html

    Too much damage & history. She will be towed and broken up for scrap. Salvage costs have ballooned to €600 million +
     
  3. SamSam
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    Almost $800,000,000 just to turn it upright? That's a world class screw the pooch operation there! I like how they call every grunt working on it an engineer.
     
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    Promotions instead of pay?
     
  5. jehardiman
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    Euro nanny state environmental requirements. Comming soon to a country near you! (i.e. check out the new OSHA "Globaly Harmonic" labing laws).
     
  6. SamSam
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    What's wrong with labeling containers so you can tell what's in them?
     
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    They are already labled to show what is in them, why do it again in a more confusing manner. All it does is drive up cost and regulation with no tangable benefit. The old NFPA diamond will be replaced with individual, smaller, pictographs and text, which may not be in a language you can understand.

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  10. SamSam
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    I can't tell from either label what is in the container, only some properties of the stuff.

    I think they are just trying to get a system that is universally recognized. I work outside the country sometimes and know only English. A universal system would help there.

    In Mexico, you're lucky if there's any label at all.

    If I didn't know English, I'd get more info from the bottom label than the top one. The big exclamation point tells me somethings up here, pay attention, and the picturegraph tells me the stuff is bad for the environment. The top one would just make me think of clown makeup.

    Plus, the chemical properties values interpretation ( such as degree of flammability) or the way they are expressed, vary from country to country, so the new system would get everyone on the same page.
     
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    I'm not going to complain about attempts to standardize labeling worldwide, given how much international trade there is nowadays.
     
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    Sigh... obviously you two agree with the regulators in suits somewhere safe; someone who will never have to be down in an unlit smoky cargo hold peering out through the faceplate of a EAB trying to decide mist or stream or go back for AFFF.

    Yes there should be a global system, but this isn't it AND the NFPA and DOT stickers are still required anyway. It is just a waste of time and money and increases the hazards to the damage control party because they have to get close to read it.
     
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    Sure, that's it; I just love bureaucrats.

    It couldn't possibly be instead that I handle hazardous materials on a regular basis, and think some sort of standardized international labeling system is a good idea.... even if it isn't what you consider an optimal one.
     
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    How a thread on the Costa Concordia can turn into something completely different.... I thought it was a cruise ship, not a chemical tanker. (unless they had Noro virus again...)
     

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    I wondered about if $800.000.000 to turn it upright was a bit much and it was postulated that the reason was the Euro Nanny State and all it's regulations. An example was given and it quickly went from there.

    I think the insurance and cruise ship folks are between a rock and a hard place and the salvage folk are getting the absolute maximum profit from it. $800,000,000 is capitalism at it's finest.
     
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