Concrete submarine

That is not new mate! I have seen that site before!

And I´m not sure if a German branch could be successful.
But in Africa weird coffins are common, and it would be completely new for them to buy (and test) a coffin while the person is still alive!.....

 

Dear Sirs,

We will test this new technology. If it's safe and works all right, we will sell submarine hulls. If it isn't safe we won't. The tests of the technology will show whether it works well, or not. I will inform you when we have the answers. No submarine hulls will be sold unless they are very safe and works well. We consider quality to be of pivotal importance.

Best regards,

Mvh HK

 

Dear Sirs,

We will consider all the concerns you have mentioned on this thread, and on all the other threads about our project. I am sure that some of your sceptical comments will be of great value when it comes to improving our technology.

I believe that a company needs dreams, realism, and scepticism. We will try to combine all the ingredients.

Best regards,

Mvh HK

 

Shall I take this to mean you are only selling the hulls, but not the power plants needed to run them?

 

concrete subs going straight to the bottom dont need power plants

 

What I dont understand, is that the big sub in Columbia was being built for a "client".

There has been no mention of this "client" for a long time now, so has the deal fallen through, and wellmer is left with a big concrete hole.

So funny that an "engineer" inspected the hull. As has been said so many times before in oh so many ways, engineers inspect plans, specification and construction, or there is little point inspecting the finished item - except for destructive testing of course, which is all there is left to do.

"Hmm - lets see, hull made of concrete ? Tick!. Hull is cigar shaped . Tick! Hole for entry and egress in hull . Tick! Steel in concrete laid properly ..... oh well, three out of four aint bad."

 

The big submarine on the pictures in the forum has been built for a client in US of Wilfried Ellmer's company Tolimared. After the launch Wilfried will test the submarine. When the tests has been completed the submarine will be delivered to CA. In CA, the submarine will be further tested and equipped.

When it comes to European Submarine Structures AB our focus is on building hulls, not submarines. The company won't sell any hulls at all before Ian's submarine, and a wide range of other tests, has been completed. However, people who are interested in buying future hulls can contact us now. No contracts will be signed, but we will place the potential clients on a waiting list. When all tests has been done, we can start to sell. As earlier mentioned, I don't want to start selling a product before I am 100% sure that it works well. If concrete submarine hulls works well, we will sell them. If they don't work well, we won't sell them. If Ian's submarine don't work well during the tests we will find a way to fully compensate him for this.

 

You have entered the lions den Heki.

Welcome to the forum and thank you for answering questions so directly.
If you have read the threads progression you might know that this is appreciated.

If you don't find it too intrusive, could I ask what your role will be in the company, and what experience you bring to this endeavor? Is it your intention to begin development of this project in the EU?

If I were to purchase one of your 200 ton submarine hulls which has the following performance specification:
"The most probable destruction depth for the hull i will deliver is 1200m - so operational depth down to 400m-600m under required safety factor 2-3 should be possible "
You state that the delivery (turn over) testing of the 200 ton hull is 30 meters or 6% of this operational depth. Is this sufficient for you to say that the hull is "very safe and works well" or will the hull be tested to a greater depth?

"No submarine hulls will be sold unless they are very safe and works well" suggests to me that the hulls will in fact be tested to some multiple of the provided operational depth.

Can we now take it as a point of record that your company is the entity to be pursued in the event of liability claims?
Could you detail the insurance or assets the company holds against such claims should they occur?


Thanks

 

Dear bntii,

Well, I bring the company my experience as an entrepreneur, investor, and business man. For now, I see it as my main task to assure that Wilfried has the necessary financial freedome in order keep on experimenting with concrete submarines etc etc. You need time, patience, and money in order to test a new idea. I will give him this.

I also will make sure that we lift the company to the next level. Today the company is to much of a hobby company. In order to lift the company I will make sure that we bring external company from naval architects, designers and lawyers. As any small company we need help. We can't manage do everything ourselfves.

European Submarine Structures AB is not involved in the submarine project that Wilfried has been working on lately. However, my personal advice to Ian is to be very careful with deep dives. I wouldn't go below 30 meters. Neither do I think it's much of a point. A dark ocean is not much to see. If he decides to go deeper I think he shall test the submarine first. He should do repeated unmanned dives before he goes down into the "deep blue" himself.

When it comes to future hulls built of European Submarine Structures we will test the designs. If we sell a submarine with a maximum depth of 100 meters, it will be tested several times to a depth of 400 meters. If we sell a submarine with a maximum depth of 300 meters, it will be tested several times to a depth of 1200 meters. As earlier mentioned, I consider safety to be very important. A number of tests will be done. I will let experts advice me on exactly what tests we shall do.

Before European Submarine Structures AB sell any hulls at all I want destruction tests to be done. Theory should be tested in practice. No submarine hulls will be sold before such tests has been done.

If Ian isn't satisfied with the 30 meter test, I am prepared to buy back the submarine from him for the construction cost.

When European Submarine Structures AB start selling submarine hulls (or entire submarines) some day in the future we will make sure that it will be possible to insure the hulls in some way. One of the reasons for why I don't want to sell hulls now is that I haven't found any good insurance solutions. So, I acknowledge that insurances are a big unsolved problem.

As a foreigner I am very careful with the US legal system. 1 100 000 lawyers can make anyone careful. Many foreign companies chose not to enter the US market because of lawsuits. I have thought about that too. I can't say that I find the legal system particulary encouraging.

Since no submarines has been built of European Submarine Structures so far, it won't be possible pursue any claims against the company.

When it comes to future growth I can see opportunities in EU. However, for the time being this isn't my main focus. EU is exactly as US a complicated and very expensive market to enter.

Best regards,

HK

 

Thanks for your comments on forum. I very much appreciate them. Best regards, Henrik Kindblom

 

HK

Thanks again for the thoughtful and complete answer.

My business carries liability insurance to several million dollars in aggregate. I feel that it is a necessary step to not just satisfy the legal requirement, but to provide recourse for injured parties in the event that some activity of my business creates property damage or injury to some person.
Given the amount of surface traffic alone the coasts and near yachting centers, I feel real concern about the proposed operation of submersibles as outlined by wellmer in this thread.

Regards

 

So
now we all know Henrik Kindblom has inspected the first hull and found no faults.

Is it too much to ask you HK: WHICH SORT OF CONCRETE WAS USED TO POUR THE HULL ?????

Sure you know, otherwise you could´nt tell if the hull was right.

 

iv read all these posts and ive found no fault with the hull

perhaps this is the first thing ever made by man that had zero defects

 

Let's get Heki and Willy in the flawless sub and sink them. Oh wait, they are the same person. Perhaps double personalities? They do share a penchant for ******** though.

 

When is the crush test?

That's all I really want to know and all I've been asking for a long time now.

-Tom